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Post by Roshan on May 18, 2021 17:01:21 GMT -5
The more of an ass he makes of himself the more I find it endearing.* *but we can still rule out TeSi.
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Post by anthony on May 18, 2021 17:04:35 GMT -5
So. I am a fan. Is anyone else a fan? That should tell us...something. I feel like I'd get along with him alright, but I feel like I'd be a total mystery to him, and I might get slightly and silently bothered by him, but it'd be tolerable. I find his content rather clever and engaging though.
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Post by vincent on May 18, 2021 17:12:06 GMT -5
"JUST trying to participate and provoke people, 'capitalizing on the ecosystem of external forces'(Se), rather than trying to engage in any serious discussion of principles and abstractions and ideas, which is what I'd expect with any variant of NeTi."Yeah, well, I thought he was FeNi from that video too, felt quite sure, actually and for a while after too anthony . But at this point looks like it's between NeTe and NeFe. He does say in one of the videos posted here (the one with Tim Pool, I think, I"ll check) that he was tempted to take the opposite view on something very straightforward because it's funnier. But not sure that overall he isn't really taking a position. (Not a discussion but a position--though on the other hand I said he lacks a certain moral compass ). That last video you posted--which I saw before and think is fantastic btw-- is a complete, and highly effective, reductio ad absurdum of what the psychologist says, which is pretty much the ideology of 'the Blue Church' these days. And he's already explained to us how aware he is of the mechanics of logic and rhetoric.
I'm still not sure he needs to be a Ti user to be aware of those mechanics. Ti polr would be painfully aware of any absurdity because of polr vulnerability.
and a upper slot Te jumper would be able to expose them very competently. Probably more competently than a Ti user actually.
It seems pretty significant to me that he is debunking ideological bullshit without making any explicit proposition himself. It's about other people Ti. Never about his own.
But I do agree he is ultimately taking a position.
Common sense against bullshit ideologies. (another argument for Te over Ti btw)
Traditional values against postmodern innovations and aberrations. which seems consistent with delta to me. I mean, a LOT of his content would literally delight my father, and probably a lot of ISTJs. He is saying the same thing they do, in a comedic and implicit way.
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Post by Roshan on May 18, 2021 17:12:35 GMT -5
Well, if he's ENFP you're his supervisor. If he's ESTP he's yours. And if he's ENTP or ENFJ you shouldn't feel that way. anthony
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Post by vincent on May 18, 2021 17:14:02 GMT -5
Anyway atm offhand I would actually think he is the NeFe and Tim Pool is TeNe vincent . As I said Tim's development has surprised me. He is shrill and strident about pulling yourself up by your boot straps like a mantra and seems himself to be becoming an almost militaristic almost cult leader.
I have been wondering about TeNe for Tim Pool too. Not quite for the same reasons though (i haven't seen that militaristic aspect yet). But because Fi polr seems more and more unlikely the more i watch him. Fi inf on the other hand could work.
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Post by Roshan on May 18, 2021 17:16:50 GMT -5
Right, vincent, and I meant to say that whatever Ryan Long is, the Tim Pool typing question is independent of it. I'm pretty over the NeFe hypothesis for Ryan Long. I'm considering NeTe and SeFe now. I know, I know...just considering.
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Post by vincent on May 18, 2021 17:20:19 GMT -5
But...he seems like "Te user", I think... but (and btw) everyone thought he was beta.... and if he were SeFe he sort of would be Te user...but also as NeTe..
He seems 'very high Se' until he doesn't; then he seems ungrounded and fake it til you make it...
He seems both high Te and high Fe to me.
Which suggests that one is jumper agenda and the other is jumper 6th. And it's really not easy to say which one of the two he actually uses.
His Ne always seem very good, yet not so obvious, which strongly suggest frame.
His Se varies quite a lot from one video to another. Which is consistent with role imo.
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Post by Roshan on May 18, 2021 17:25:52 GMT -5
vincent if he were SeFe he would not use that avatar and cover. It gives away with a literal wink that the Se is not totally 'real'.
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Post by vincent on May 18, 2021 17:26:37 GMT -5
So. I am a fan. Is anyone else a fan? That should tell us...something.
I think he is very talented and his stuff is funny and clever. I suspect we would have a great time if we ever met in person.
But it doesn't feel like we could "work" together on the long run.
"Fan" would be a stretch as i don't find myself quite "drawn" to him.
Not in the way i would be drawn to a dual or a semi-dual at least.
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Post by Roshan on May 18, 2021 17:26:57 GMT -5
I think that was the tradeoff and he was willing to expose that aspect even at the expense of 'undandifying' himself.
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Post by vincent on May 18, 2021 17:29:30 GMT -5
vincent if he were SeFe he would not use that avatar and cover. It gives away with a literal wink that the Se is not totally 'real'.
Yes indeed. The avatar itself is a joke.
In a way, his whole community of "boyz" is also a private joke.
Those boyz aren't a tribe of disgruntled betas and alphas incels.
They are collectively pretending to, in a way, and he allows them to feel smarter.
Which fits Te agenda imo.
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Post by Roshan on May 18, 2021 17:30:42 GMT -5
Another thing is he is much more interested in how people move the levers of power through manipulating image in the delta glamour machine than the nuts and bolts of the gritty backrooms.
He's kind of set himself up as the 'anti-dandy'. I think that's part of what the avatar is about. As such, he is still in orbis dandius (pardon my Latin).
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Post by Roshan on May 18, 2021 17:33:55 GMT -5
Matthew "Car Poem" Courtney (NeFi with some kind of weird shit going on) would look everyone up and down seductively like that as he spoke to them with this husky voice and bedroom eyes, so sensuous....with such "Se" 'animal magnetism"...and then not quite be able to sustain it...like Ryan with his 'boy'.
he would ALSO talk to EVERYONE in the street, and in a sense be interviewing everyone TOO.
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Post by vincent on May 18, 2021 17:34:32 GMT -5
Another thing is he is much more interested in how people move the levers of power through manipulating image in the delta glamour machine than the nuts and bolts of the gritty backrooms. He's kind of set himself up as the 'anti-dandy'. I think that's part of what the avatar is about. As such, he is still in orbis dandius (pardon my Latin).
Yes, that sounds very right to me.
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Post by Roshan on May 18, 2021 17:34:45 GMT -5
And he totally had a tribe. Like a REAL tribe. Not a small one either.
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