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Post by Roshan on May 18, 2021 12:08:25 GMT -5
ps I know you were just answering my specific question, anthony. I'm trying to take it to the next level now.
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Post by Roshan on May 18, 2021 13:06:51 GMT -5
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Post by Roshan on May 18, 2021 13:10:06 GMT -5
Delta is a dandy.
Especially NeFi.
And no reason NeTe should be less so. There are TeSi dandies galore.
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Post by anthony on May 18, 2021 13:36:11 GMT -5
On top of that, he seems to be constantly 'preaching' from atop a soap-box, but always with these subtle interpersonal exchanges—either with individuals or 'the crowd'—that I would only expect a person who was very high Fe(and thus not Fi PoLR) to be successful at. Right, but NeFe would be very high Fe. For instance people thought I was NeFi creative and I am still most similar on the surface to Russell Brand. Right. More specifically, upon watching that first video, it seemed to me that above all else he prioritized [and was most cognizant of] the pervasive Fe domain of the sociopolitical information flow, so to speak. JUST trying to participate and provoke people, 'capitalizing on the ecosystem of external forces'(Se), rather than trying to engage in any serious discussion of principles and abstractions and ideas, which is what I'd expect with any variant of NeTi. EDIT: I understand that the first video posted WAS a comedy show, and that what I stated above is kind of what you're supposed to do when performing...but I was also drawing from some prior experience watching his content when I gave my initial opinion. Stuff like this is what I was watching. He has a distinct 'femininity' to him, and although it's a likely misconception, it nevertheless swayed me towards 'higher F'(leading).
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Post by Roshan on May 18, 2021 15:12:52 GMT -5
"JUST trying to participate and provoke people, 'capitalizing on the ecosystem of external forces'(Se), rather than trying to engage in any serious discussion of principles and abstractions and ideas, which is what I'd expect with any variant of NeTi."Yeah, well, I thought he was FeNi from that video too, felt quite sure, actually and for a while after too anthony . But at this point looks like it's between NeTe and NeFe. He does say in one of the videos posted here (the one with Tim Pool, I think, I"ll check) that he was tempted to take the opposite view on something very straightforward because it's funnier. But not sure that overall he isn't really taking a position. (Not a discussion but a position--though on the other hand I said he lacks a certain moral compass ). That last video you posted--which I saw before and think is fantastic btw-- is a complete, and highly effective, reductio ad absurdum of what the psychologist says, which is pretty much the ideology of 'the Blue Church' these days. And he's already explained to us how aware he is of the mechanics of logic and rhetoric. I joined Blink gym the other day (masks and all). I told the young people working there I needed to lose 15 pounds of 'sitting' from lockdown. The young woman manager said she knows what I mean, she is fine now at 200 pounds but she had gone over. She is like 5'5". It did appear from the first video he was mostly just provoking for the sake of provoking but it hasn't really quite held up. Hard to forget about "you go girl, you're very close to being morbidly courageous", and how toxic whateverism is a belief system.
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Post by Roshan on May 18, 2021 15:26:25 GMT -5
Anyway atm offhand I would actually think he is the NeFe and Tim Pool is TeNe vincent . As I said Tim's development has surprised me. He is shrill and strident about pulling yourself up by your boot straps like a mantra and seems himself to be becoming an almost militaristic almost cult leader. But oc I'm not sure. I am going to rewatch everything on this thread and then look at more of Ryan Long's 'for the boys' solo chats. Hopefully other people will delve further too.
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Post by Roshan on May 18, 2021 15:31:31 GMT -5
Tim is becoming like gardener-in-chief of the flower children, with pruning shears, hose and megaphone. He's really starting to get up my nose since Luke Radkowski left. Of course we have seen tyrannical NeTi's as well (Jocko e.g.) but it's different. It's so...pull your weight, earn your keep, look at me, I did, I'm successful, now we're expanding...my new project is to promote culture...
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Post by anthony on May 18, 2021 15:36:25 GMT -5
"JUST trying to participate and provoke people, 'capitalizing on the ecosystem of external forces'(Se), rather than trying to engage in any serious discussion of principles and abstractions and ideas, which is what I'd expect with any variant of NeTi."Yeah, well, I thought he was FeNi from that video too, felt quite sure, actually and for a while after too anthony . But at this point looks like it's between NeTe and NeFe. He does say in one of the videos posted here (the one with Tim Pool, I think, I"ll check) that he was tempted to take the opposite view on something very straightforward because it's funnier. But not sure that overall he isn't really taking a position. (Not a discussion but a position--though on the other hand I said he lacks a certain moral compass ). That last video you posted--which I saw before and think is fantastic btw-- is a complete, and highly effective, reductio ad absurdum of what the psychologist says, which is pretty much the ideology of 'the Blue Church' these days. And he's already explained to us how aware he is of the mechanics of logic and rhetoric. I joined Blink gym the other day (masks and all). I told the young people working there I needed to lose 15 pounds of 'sitting' from lockdown. The young woman manager said she knows what I mean, she is fine now at 200 pounds but she had gone over. She is like 5'5". It did appear from the first video he was mostly just provoking for the sake of provoking but it hasn't really quite held up. Hard to forget about "you go girl, you're very close to being morbidly courageous", and how toxic whateverism is a belief system. Agreed. The video was both enjoyable and essentially accurate. I haven't watched enough of his stuff to say this with any certainty, but it seems like most of what he's generally doing is intelligently making fun of emerging absurdities in the social landscape, which does suggest he's adopting a relatively-defined position.
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Post by Roshan on May 18, 2021 15:54:47 GMT -5
"Allow me to show you an article about how people who don't clean their room are actually more intelligent and more empathetic..."
He could very easily have 'seamless second row' T rather than Ti PolR imo.
This is exactly the kind of crap TPAS would bludgeon me with, equally absurd but he was serious. It is a tactic Ryan knows well.
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Post by Roshan on May 18, 2021 16:00:16 GMT -5
idk. Perhaps we should be keeping extraverted beta jumpers on the table? But that avatar...
He should be getting more and more on my nerves as contrary or mirage. He is not. After initial disappointment he keeps growing on me again. Of course so does Russell Brand...and come to think of it so did raindrops...but it's different...
In any case I feel all but certain he should be in an "equal but combustible" intertype relation with me. Which are contrary, mirage, and semi-dual.
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Post by Roshan on May 18, 2021 16:20:23 GMT -5
sigh
This just popped up on my yt home page.
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Post by Roshan on May 18, 2021 16:27:49 GMT -5
Here he is just 'chewing the fat' with one of his 'boys'. Not being interviewed, not talking alone to a fandom, not accosting strangers in fake interviews, not performing.
He really seems high Se, no?
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Post by Roshan on May 18, 2021 16:35:55 GMT -5
Not so sure he was 'playing a bad boy'... but he still reminds me of those two Ne doms I used to know, especially the NeFi, but...he's more.... well, he's hotter. Or at least...earthier in the heat.
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Post by Roshan on May 18, 2021 16:48:47 GMT -5
But...he seems like "Te user", I think...
but (and btw) everyone thought he was beta....
and if he were SeFe he sort of would be Te user...but also as NeTe..
He seems 'very high Se' until he doesn't; then he seems ungrounded and fake it til you make it...
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Post by Roshan on May 18, 2021 17:00:35 GMT -5
So. I am a fan. Is anyone else a fan?
That should tell us...something.
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