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Post by Roshan on May 17, 2021 9:48:54 GMT -5
"He seems to somehow be both deadly serious about it [authority and its deceit and ephemerality] and lacking a moral compass, a center."
This could be consistent with jumping over Fi, maybe.
I also have to say again--he really understands this.
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Post by Roshan on May 17, 2021 10:02:12 GMT -5
His E type seems to be something like so/SX 3w2 4w3-6w7 7w8-9w8 1w9. Almost exactly 3-leading version of Richard Grannon, who we have as FeNi.
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Post by vincent on May 17, 2021 10:04:37 GMT -5
From the first video i thought he could be a SeTi-ish FeNi, but not an actual SeTi because it seems obvious to me that he was roleplaying "beta bad boy".
SeTi usually doesn't roleplay it that much. And unless they are healthy, they are actually bad boys.
I also thought he was a bit too "civilized", so to speak, to be NeTi.
I tried to imagine how well or bad our SeTi or NeTi exemplars would do if their job was to troll full time and be offensive for a living;
And i thought they would end up going too far, hitting too hard, making the wrong enemies for the wrong reasons.
And sooner or later the bluntness and heaviness of Te 6th would become obvious and would betray Fi polr.
At some point, the unprocessed raw Fi would show, and then it wouldn't be "just for fun" anymore.
It seemed to me that Ryan Long "knew what he was doing", in a way that i wouldn't expect from Fi polr.
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Post by vincent on May 17, 2021 10:06:36 GMT -5
"He seems to somehow be both deadly serious about it [authority and its deceit and ephemerality] and lacking a moral compass, a center." This could be consistent with jumping over Fi, maybe. I also have to say again--he really understands this.
That's the thing, imo. He lacks the compass, but he doesn't lack the map.
Fi polr, i think, is more likely to lack the map, and believe they have the compass nonetheless.
And that's how they end up being so qixotic.
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Post by Roshan on May 17, 2021 10:10:48 GMT -5
From the first video i thought he could be a SeTi-ish FeNi, but not an actual SeTi because it seems obvious to me that he was roleplaying "beta bad boy".
SeTi usually doesn't roleplay it that much. And unless they are healthy, they are actually bad boys.
Another reason why Trotting Pony's TiSe creative, not SeTi. Thanks for the clarification. Getting ready to go to the gym.
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Post by vincent on May 17, 2021 10:17:51 GMT -5
Another reason why Trotting Pony's TiSe creative, not SeTi. Right ! Indeed.
Enjoy your session and ttys
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Post by ahmed on May 17, 2021 16:51:12 GMT -5
I was neutral on this. Why did you think Fi PolR from the first video Amy , ahmed ? Why did you think not Fi PolR from there, anthony , vincent ? Did anyone else have impressions on this from the first video? I thought he was probably Beta but something from the clip didn't make the Fe seem quite organic enough for frame and so went with SeTi, didn't think about Fi much đź‘€ that inorganicness vibe could probably fit the demonstrative more, especially considering the setting + its nature being "thrown out" more i suppose
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Post by Roshan on May 17, 2021 17:10:00 GMT -5
ahmed hmmm....plausibility of PolR is going to trump quadra vibe in the end. If you had thought about the PolR do you think you would have found Fi PolR plausible from that video? What about now? (Not SeTi. I'm still not totally convinced NeFe is ruled out).
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Post by ahmed on May 17, 2021 17:26:01 GMT -5
ahmed hmmm....plausibility of PolR is going to trump quadra vibe in the end. If you had thought about the PolR do you think you would have found Fi PolR plausible from that video? What about now? (Not SeTi. I'm still not totally convinced NeFe is ruled out). mm i need to watch again, also the other interviews i haven't seen >->. It's possible but depends on how much chaos he usually leaves behind (un)knowingly more i guess.
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Post by Roshan on May 17, 2021 17:44:44 GMT -5
It's not so much other interviews of him ahmed . He has tons of talks he just gives for his yt followers, often by himself. He just talks and talks. And he also chronically interviews people in the street but more like sort of satirically accosts them.
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Post by vincent on May 17, 2021 18:29:44 GMT -5
(Not SeTi. I'm still not totally convinced NeFe is ruled out).
Well, i would expect a NeFe jumper to be even more of a wildling, more of a savage, than most NeTi already are.
And this one seems a bit too urbane and domesticated for that, even in the interview that dates back from his Johnstones era.
Also, i think Ti polr "canary in the coal mine", exposing the absurdity of ideologies, makes more sense for him than "jumping over Ti".
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Post by Roshan on May 17, 2021 18:30:46 GMT -5
Maybe so vincent but be glad that I'm offering resistance anyway.
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Post by vincent on May 17, 2021 18:32:06 GMT -5
Maybe so vincent but be glad that I'm offering resistance anyway.
i most definitely am !
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Post by anthony on May 18, 2021 11:27:10 GMT -5
From the first video, I didn't see him as Fi PoLR for basically the same reasons as vincent. His persona seemed extraverted and beta-ish, and it seemed obvious that he was feigning and SeTi-ish 'bad boy' image but was too energetically tenuous, like he was preemptively hiding his emotional hypersensitivity through expressing a sort of awkward and excessive insensitivity(and being quite aware that he was doing so). On top of that, he seems to be constantly 'preaching' from atop a soap-box, but always with these subtle interpersonal exchanges—either with individuals or 'the crowd'—that I would only expect a person who was very high Fe(and thus not Fi PoLR) to be successful at.
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Post by Roshan on May 18, 2021 12:07:05 GMT -5
On top of that, he seems to be constantly 'preaching' from atop a soap-box, but always with these subtle interpersonal exchanges—either with individuals or 'the crowd'—that I would only expect a person who was very high Fe(and thus not Fi PoLR) to be successful at. Right, but NeFe would be very high Fe. For instance people thought I was NeFi creative and I am still most similar on the surface to Russell Brand.
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