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Post by vincent on Apr 26, 2021 14:36:02 GMT -5
He has tons of videos where he's just talking directly to fans, he has tons of videos where he's outside 'interviewing' people one on one, which are comedic but they're not staged and they're very different from actual performances, and there are also videos where he's interviewed straight on
Right, i saw that. He has a ton of very different stuff. I'll post more.
For now i'm going to watch this one soon :
He is with an actual FeNi here (if our typing of her is correct, but i'm pretty sure it is). Should be interesting.
Yes, they do. That's right.
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Post by anthony on Apr 27, 2021 7:11:22 GMT -5
My initial vote for him was FeNi. I've seen some of his comedy before, a couple of sidewalk interviews, and one or two "Boyscast" episodes. At first, I thought he was trying to emulate SeTi-ish behavior for swaggering imagistic purposes, and like he really believed that it was him. But, he seemed way too naturally 'effeminate' and fundamentally manipulative [and a skilled manipulator of crowds] enough that I thought he was just FeNi trying to live up to 'macho' beta values. Perhaps this is an incorrect view of FeNi, but he seemed relatively unhealthy to me, and like he was actually trying to instigate fights in the collective battlefield("preaching to the crowd") by being intentionally offensive, which, to me, I thought paired well with third slot Se. However, after watching him for enough time, it really just does not seem like he's actually Se valuing. Energetically, he appears way too...'light,' childish, and lacking in the stamina to actually contribute and participate to the collective in a manner that isn't just alpha-esque 'goofing off' and debating, if that makes sense. Roshan noted this to me, along with just how 'scatological' the nature of his humor is, as though his Si was valued but totally whacked out. So, NeTi is definitely a real possibility.
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Post by vincent on Apr 27, 2021 9:28:45 GMT -5
My initial vote for him was FeNi. I've seen some of his comedy before, a couple of sidewalk interviews, and one or two "Boyscast" episodes. At first, I thought he was trying to emulate SeTi-ish behavior for swaggering imagistic purposes, and like he really believed that it was him. But, he seemed way too naturally 'effeminate' and fundamentally manipulative [and a skilled manipulator of crowds] enough that I thought he was just FeNi trying to live up to 'macho' beta values. Perhaps this is an incorrect view of FeNi, but he seemed relatively unhealthy to me, and like he was actually trying to instigate fights in the collective battlefield("preaching to the crowd") by being intentionally offensive, which, to me, I thought paired well with third slot Se. I don't think it's necessarily an incorrect view of FeNi. Some SeTi-ish FeNis are indeed a bit like that.
But at this point, i don't think it is what's going on with him.
I definitely agree with light and childish. And with alpha-esque "goofing off".
But is he really debating ? or even promoting debate ?
He seems to be making fun of all sides and kind of laughing at the Zeitgeist in a way that is ultimately pretty non-ideological.
She pointed this out to me too and that's definitely right.
The thing here is that it might be whacked out, but it's way too systematic and upfront to be polr. Even with counterphobia, polr is still mostly avoided.
And whatever this is, this is not avoidance.
I thought about it (and i'm still considering it). Counterphobic Si inf would work better than Si polr.
Se role could work too.
But i'm still not sure i see Te 6th and Fi polr. i mean, he is very prolific and "offensive", sure, but... with SeTi and NeTi there is usually a clear sense of fighting. Or at least a sense of playing to win.
I don't quite get that impression from him.
And i'm not sure i see Ne as a frame either.
Anyway, i conked out last night, so i'm not done watching the video with Roseanne Barr.
I will get back to him tonight.
In the meantime, i'm curious
ahmed Amy do you still think he is SeTi ? And if not, what would be your new vote ?
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Post by vincent on Apr 27, 2021 11:37:43 GMT -5
Was trying to compare him to some of our NeTi typees.
Found this :
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Post by vincent on Apr 27, 2021 12:09:41 GMT -5
i mean, he is very prolific and "offensive", sure, but... with SeTi and NeTi there is usually a clear sense of fighting. Or at least a sense of playing to win.
I don't quite get that impression from him.
I mean, he is obviously fighting and resisting, and it's ultimately political. What he doesn't seem to have is the qixotic "crusading" side that is usually seen in both SeTi and NeTi.
Nor the chessmaster, strategic side.
On the other hand, he does seem to be the troublemaker of the classroom, in Suburbia highschool, who joined a band, then a scene, then...
Which fits both Puer Aeternus and Chaos Agent, i guess.
tbcd.
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Post by Roshan on Apr 27, 2021 12:51:57 GMT -5
But is he really debating ? or even promoting debate ?
He seems to be making fun of all sides and kind of laughing at the Zeitgeist in a way that is ultimately pretty non-ideological.
He is absolutely debating. That is the whole thrust of what he's doing. He's debating with the world. And I showed this to anthony in a specific video which he should have easier access to than I. It will be too expensive for me to dredge up here in Kinko's but the whole damn thing is ultimately about debate.
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Post by Roshan on Apr 27, 2021 12:53:32 GMT -5
The issue is that if Ryan Long is NeTi jumper then Tim is mistyped. That is one of the main reasons I gave Ryan a thread. But you have to see that specific video I showed AH (or others I also couldn't provide until I have my laptop back).
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Post by vincent on Apr 27, 2021 13:05:54 GMT -5
The issue is that if Ryan Long is NeTi jumper then Tim is mistyped. That is one of the main reasons I gave Ryan a thread.
Yeah. I just watched them together for a few mins, and i can't see them as identicals indeed.
Definitely looking forward to watching this video. And will keep looking for more material.
Thank you and take care !
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Post by anthony on Apr 27, 2021 16:08:35 GMT -5
My bad. Here is that video.
Towards the 18 minute mark, when he's talking about GameStop, you'll start to see how much of an alpha-ish "armchair debater" he becomes.
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Post by Amy on Apr 28, 2021 1:01:43 GMT -5
He doesn't seem Se prey or predator after watching some of the clips, and alpha Fi PoLR 'everything can be poked at' but 'it's not that deep' works. He's not completely apolitical (where he talks about seeing propaganda, political agenda marketing, etc.) but he's not exactly invested in who the people he criticizes are either (Fi PoLR). He doesn't seem Si PoLR either no, but I'm wondering if he's NeFe jumper and maybe that's why he doesn't seem to 'Ti spear' into others as much when he goes into debate mode. He seems critical of 'society' but also seems more initially receptive than say Tim.
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Post by vincent on Apr 28, 2021 5:15:21 GMT -5
Towards the 18 minute mark, when he's talking about GameStop, you'll start to see how much of an alpha-ish "armchair debater" he becomes.
I agree it's alpha-ish. But at this point, i'm pretty sure it's not alpha.
The only type in alpha quadra that could get close to what he does and says in this video is NeTi. Unhealthy and immature ones might have a tendency to think they are, by default, the smartest brain in the room.
And they might insist on playing devil's advocate, debating and outsmarting the whole world.
But... none of our NeTi exemplars would casually, let alone gleefully, say :
"whenever you find yourself on the side of the mob, you want to reevaluate that"
or "people are dumb", "people are stupid".
They will call their individual interlocutor dumb in a given debate.
They will call the other tribe dumb. They will call specific ideas dumb.
They will call people dumb for disagreeing with them.
Fresco would say "there is no intelligent life on earth." But would quickly add "Not yet".
The thing is even unhealthy and immature ones are still Fe absolute valuers, and Fe agenda sheperds. Even Fresco is still creating space for a potential tribe and will keep saying "i'm not your enemy".
I don't get the sense that Ryan Long is trying to leave or create space for a potential tribe here. And he doesn't even need to add "i'm not your enemy". He is establishing a hierarchy within his own audience, between the true "fans", who will get the "two layers" of the joke and "the idiots" who will only get "one'.
This goes beyond NeTi arrogance. It's actually elitist.
Too overtly elitist to be alpha imo.
But it could easily be delta.
It's the kind of stuff grumpy SiTes shoot at their TVs whenever they watch the news. And actually i used to say this kind of stuff myself, in my late teens/early twenties. Almost word for word. And pretty much with the same tone. When i was in shadow mode. I used to wear a T-Shirt saying "how to explain mediocrity to mediocre people ?" back then. Now remove the question mark and this could easily be Ryan Long job's description.
At this point, i'm pretty sure he is NeTe rather than NeFe.
but gtg for now. tbcd soon.
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Post by vincent on Apr 28, 2021 6:17:44 GMT -5
Ti polr might seem like a stretch and a hard sell but...
that's often the case with NeFi's Ti polr, and i would expect it to be even more true with a NeTe jumper.
"People are stupid" not because they can't argue acrobatically about the number of angels on the head of a pin (now THAT would be alpha) but because they don't even know basic stuff like hedge fund.
"how can they even hold a job ?" "how can they even feed themselves ?" It's all about Te (and the lack thereof)
His "arguing tactics" (and he puts it) seems heavily Te over Ti to me.
And i think it goes beyond "weaponization".
On the other hand Ti polr "canary in the coal mine" makes perfect sense : it puts him on the front line to witness and denounce the absurdity of Zeitgeist.
And the thing is he doesn't argue directly against ideology.
He doesn't fight "Ti gone wrong" with more Ti or with better Ti.
He exposes it and he mocks it. Relentlessly, and very productively. In a very talented way.
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Post by vincent on Apr 28, 2021 6:35:58 GMT -5
He doesn't seem Se prey or predator after watching some of the clips, and alpha Fi PoLR 'everything can be poked at' but 'it's not that deep' works. He's not completely apolitical (where he talks about seeing propaganda, political agenda marketing, etc.) but he's not exactly invested in who the people he criticizes are either (Fi PoLR). He doesn't seem Si PoLR either no, but I'm wondering if he's NeFe jumper and maybe that's why he doesn't seem to 'Ti spear' into others as much when he goes into debate mode. He seems critical of 'society' but also seems more initially receptive than say Tim.
I don't think Fi polr actually works. His specific brand of assholeness seems too polished, too calculated, too weighted and boundaried to comes from unprocessed Fi.
And he isn't healthy enough to have the kind of Fi polr as power you see in Tristan Harris.
Fi polr people don't want to make people into enemies. But they do.
Ryan Long kind of does the opposite of that.
I mean, i might be wrong but i don't see him being banned of Youtube and forced to follow the beta hordes on marginal platforms anytime soon.
"jumped over" Fi makes more sense imo.
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Post by vincent on Apr 28, 2021 6:46:21 GMT -5
If he is NeTe, that makes him Tim Pool's kindred. And i think that makes sense. In the above video, they are obviously quite close, share a similar worldview, and their dynamic seems pretty symetrical.
It makes sense that they are sharing the same perceiving axis.
But it also seems pretty clear that they are working in very different ways, with different judging axis.
Everytime Tim Pool is trying to "get serious", for the sake of the gathered tribes, Ryan Long keeps cracking jokes and effusing.
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Post by vincent on Apr 28, 2021 7:15:00 GMT -5
With Roseanne Barr, you get the weird impression that they are even closer than kindreds in some way, and more distant at the same time. There is a lot of back and forth between them, and it's pretty balanced and symetrical. There is (way) too much seduction going on for a business relationship.
But it's not really complimentary enough to be duality.
They seem to be "confirming" each other, and translating each other in their own language, rather than complementing each other, so to speak.
Quasi-identicals makes sense, imo.
Same axis orientations, but no main stack function in common.
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