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Post by vincent on Apr 28, 2021 7:28:22 GMT -5
NeTe makes him Roshan's true mirage. My true contrary.
But also... AOC's activity partner Jack Dorsey's conflictor both of which makes sense in an hilarious way...
And last but not least, it makes him Jane Goodall's true dual !
"people are chimps" / "chimps are people"
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Post by Roshan on Apr 28, 2021 9:31:26 GMT -5
fwiw once I started going past his staged performances and skits, he reminded me very much of two people I know very well, one NeFi and one NeTi, each in different ways though, like a combo of both. He also reminded me of someone from the same old crowd who I never got to know well because we were like oil and water. He is probably FeNe--but Ryan is not my conflictor. He is some kind of combustible attractor. So either contrary or mirage could work. I was not happy with a certain heaviness of the S/F for alpha but I went with the NeTi > NeSe after seeing many things similar to what AH posted. However, I may have underestimated how much 'debate' is pure Te (rather than an 'intact second row' T). It is very hard to see him as Vincent's mirage and very easy to see him as mine. One thing is that I did not ever get Se frame for him, it didn't even seem possible (though SeTi WOULD be an obvious combustible attractor) and I wonder why? (Vincent did consider Se frame apparently and I did not). Another question is why did some assume he is Fi PolR and others insist he can't be? There is more but tbcd
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Post by Roshan on Apr 28, 2021 9:34:33 GMT -5
#2 Another question I really have is why did Vincent originally say in the OP he saw some Ne. Why is there not tons of Ne in that performance?
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Post by vincent on Apr 28, 2021 10:00:13 GMT -5
#2 Another question I really have is why did Vincent originally say in the OP he saw some Ne. Why is there not tons of Ne in that performance? Actually, i initially wrote "tons of Fe, Se and Ne". I edited it to "some Ne" a bit later because i second guessed it.
Any absolute value slot seemed possible, even role or agenda, especially if he was a jumper.
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Post by vincent on Apr 28, 2021 10:25:04 GMT -5
fwiw once I started going past his staged performances and skits, he reminded me very much of two people I know very well, one NeFi and one NeTi, each in different ways though, like a combo of both. He also reminded me of someone from the same old crowd who I never got to know well because we were like oil and water. He is probably FeNe--but Ryan is not my conflictor. I considered FeNe early on, from the stage performance. But i couldn't see him as your conflictor indeed. Nor as my supervisee, for that matter.
I didn't really consider SeTi until people voted for it.
It seemed impossible he would be my dual.
But i did consider SeFi for a bit before i voted FeNi.
Thinking that if he wasn't FeNi maybe he could be one of those very Beta-ish and FeNi-ish SeFi with lots of Fe 6th. And i considered again a bit later, shortly, when i was starting to suspect Ti polr
I wasn't happy with it though, and the possibility vanished when i watched more materials.
tbcd.
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Post by vincent on Apr 28, 2021 14:58:06 GMT -5
The recipe to make a "masterpiece" like "Mona Lisa" ?
Whatever works.
"i don't want to make it sounds like we're thinking it through so much. It's almost the opposite." "there wasn't this overthinking of everything" "i've been in rooms with other bands and written with other people and you have like these lame conversations. It's like "well if we had, you know, after this then you need this part and like that's the way the song structure is" We don't have these conversations, it just happens". He also talks a bit about TV shows and videos at the end. And again it all seems consistent with Te agenda. Tons of trials and errors, honing skills, creating your own rules. Unless there is something or someone to learn from and compare with.
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Post by vincent on Apr 29, 2021 6:53:07 GMT -5
alpha Fi PoLR 'everything can be poked at' but 'it's not that deep' works. Just noticed you said alpha Fi polr Amy What differences do you see with beta Fi polr ?
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Post by Roshan on Apr 29, 2021 10:09:48 GMT -5
alpha Fi PoLR 'everything can be poked at' but 'it's not that deep' works. Just noticed you said alpha Fi polr Amy What differences do you see with beta Fi polr ?
Well actually I had asked everyone in general why some thought from the beginning that he was Fi PolR and others thought he couldn't be.
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Post by Roshan on Apr 29, 2021 10:13:25 GMT -5
Another thing I don't know it's useful to assume things like 'he can't be my conflictor', etc. Also to assume say Tim Pool is correctly typed. I have watched him over the past few years and he turned out different from what I thought. Also I'm curious whether people actually agree Roseanne's FeNi (not saying I don't, just does everyone here agree).
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Post by vincent on Apr 29, 2021 13:35:27 GMT -5
Another thing I don't know it's useful to assume things like 'he can't be my conflictor', etc.
Right, i agree. But there is other reasons to think he isn't FeNe.
Ti seeking really doesn't seem right for him. And more generally, he is too much of a debater to have Tx in the fourth row imo.
Ni polr also doesn't seem right. He doesn't conclude or derive much, but he does collapse.
Hmm. When i watched him with Ryan Long, i still thought NeFe was our best bet and the best fit. But i will take another look at him.
Right, i'm curious about that too.
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Post by vincent on Apr 29, 2021 13:43:06 GMT -5
Well actually I had asked everyone in general why some thought from the beginning that he was Fi PolR and others thought he couldn't be.
Indeed.
I will have more to say about this, but i think it's better if other people articulate their reasons for or against Fi polr first.
tbcd.
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Post by Roshan on Apr 30, 2021 8:47:09 GMT -5
My question wasn't about Fi PolR overall.
It was about the split in perception of Fi PolR in the first video.
Two people chose SeTi, and two peope chose FeNi. The two people who chose FeNi articulated to me that they thought he couldn't be Fi PolR.
So that was 50% choosing Fi PolR from the original video and 50% saying it wasn't possible.
What I wanted was to arrive at an understanding of what people were seeing that made them think one way or the other, hence by extension what people believe Fi PolR to be and how they believe it to mainfest.
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Post by Roshan on May 17, 2021 9:09:18 GMT -5
Keep the flame alive!
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Post by Roshan on May 17, 2021 9:25:48 GMT -5
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Post by Roshan on May 17, 2021 9:44:34 GMT -5
His E type seems to be something like so/SX 3w2 4w3-6w7 7w8-9w8 1w9. It seems to be a very strongly Sevenish and Threeish Six factor that's really preoccupied with authority but also really understands how illusory it is. He seems to somehow be both deadly serious about it and lacking a moral compass, a center. He seems very close to being both a 3w2 Charmer and a 379 Smooth Operator and he is obviously about as compulsively social as anyone could be. What does it say about ct? It could be our first NeTe, which would explain why he can be so NeTi-ish, and would also explain why half thought Fi PolR and half thought he can't be Fi PolR. But what gave rise to those perceptions from the OP hasn't been discussed, which means we don't have consensus about what Fi PolR is ultimately, or at least how it shows up, and by extension, perhaps, about Fi. I was neutral on this. Why did you think Fi PolR from the first video Amy , ahmed ? Why did you think not Fi PolR from there, anthony , vincent ? Did anyone else have impressions on this from the first video?
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