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Post by anthony on Dec 29, 2020 16:49:04 GMT -5
ps I kind of feel I have to push for what does it mean that Se PolR is a 'hard sell' for Amy since I'm the one who originally questioned Se PolR based on the energy. " HOW can she be Se PolR?!?" How can I be Se inferior? How can Gerry Rafferty not be Fe PolR? Etc. Well, iirc we don't have any Se PoLR sp/sx 9s. Sp/Sx and Sp 9 alone are already both, I imagine, going to carry gravitas in a way that would disguise the usual Se PoLR appearance of being somehow "gaseous."
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Post by vincent on Jan 6, 2021 14:39:11 GMT -5
Any new thoughts about this Amy ?
I'm especially curious of your take on quadras and "alpha vs beta".
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Post by Amy on Jan 6, 2021 23:40:42 GMT -5
Sorry I was meaning to get back to this sooner. I went to sociotype.com to get a refresh on quarts values. I’ll put what I have for Alpha quadra and try to add my thoughts on how I relate to Beta quadra soon.
Ti blocked with Ne • Alpha types are inclined to discuss highly theoretical concepts as a source of intellectual stimulatioun and fun rather than for their practical merits.
- Yes. I tend to bring up whatever interesting tidbit I happen to remember when I want to add something to a conversation, even if there’s no ‘practical’ reason to do so.
• Alpha types tend to value logically consistent beliefs and ideas, and behavior that is consistent with personal values.
- I tend to trust consistency more, but I think it depends on how well I know a person to decide whether I care when something they do isn’t consistent with an earlier spoken personal value.
• Alpha types typically follow through on their ideas in the form of group activity.
- Sometimes? I think I’m more likely to follow through when I know there’s social pressure to ‘preform’, but for personal activities. Once I start (which can take a while), I can be be pretty consistent.
Fe blocked with Si • Alpha types tend to enjoy participating in groups where there is free exchange of positive emotional expression in an atmosphere pleasing to the senses.
- Nothing too revealing but nothing to disagree with here either.
• Alpha types are inclined to discuss stories told in detail and according to the sequence in which events happened, rather than "jump to the point" quickly.
- I definitely have trouble getting to ‘the point’ when trying to describe a sequence of events. I usually end up lacking specific details in my memory however, which makes it harder to always be sure of the order of whatever happened.
• Alpha types are inclined to show affection for others in the form of small practical services or gifts.
- Yes, small gestures could include ‘being the one to buy me and a friend coffee’, and then there tends to be a mostly unspoken balancing act between giving and receiving for those mundane gestures.
• Alpha types tend to feel energized in the positive atmosphere of special events, such as public holidays, parties and special celebrations.
- I enjoy the newness of ‘special’ events, and like not having pressure put on myself to be entertaining (Fe inferior piggybacking). Not sure about ‘energized’, but some places feel like an ‘opportunity’ to dress up and relax. Other times going to group events feels daunting, with all the ‘steps’ and necessary focus.
Fi blocked with Se • Alpha types prefer to avoid the discussion of controversial and unpleasant subjects regarding personal relationships while in groups, especially if leading to confrontations.
- This tends to be true. The only thing is that sometimes I may say something to ‘poke’ at someone, but nothing that’s genuinely ‘trollish’ or that would knowingly get a lot of backlash.
• Alpha types are inclined to be tolerating of minor past misdeeds by others, giving priority to reconciliation and a convivial atmosphere.
- Basically. I’m not really above holding a grudge, but most frustrations really don’t get that far, and if they do I’ll want to know if I did anything wrong before even feeling sure about resenting the actions of the other person.
Te blocked with Ni • Alpha types are less likely to make investments that require long-term commitment and upkeep. They prefer short-term investments that offer a reliable outcome with minimal involvement.
- Yes. I did say before that I can be rather consistent when I get into the flow of things. However, even those kind of ‘new routines’ tend to only be for a set period of time and then it’s back to either ‘being in limbo’ or trying to figure out what to do next. I also have trouble seeing myself in the far off future, and tend to want to avoid having to ‘solidify’ that.
• Alpha types avoid taking direct life advice, preferring to experience and learn for themselves. They perceive people who try to give such advice as pedantic.
- I can take advice, but I do have a more ‘I’ll figure it out when I get there’ kind of attitude, and would rather have agency over how I live my life then hear others opinions. Sometimes I’ll run across different approaches that like though, but it usually only ends up being something to consider than an abrupt change in routine.
Group Behavior Inclination for comfortable and pleasant group atmosphere, in the emotional, sensorial, and intellectual aspects. An ideal Alpha group situation is the exchange of light-hearted jokes while discussing imaginative ideas, movies, or sometimes sports, all while enjoying pleasant food and drink. Narrating personal experiences usually takes the form of telling a joke; funny personal experiences are preferred over "serious" ones. The exchange of sober concrete details are avoided. If the group is playing a game together, the fun and jokes that go along with it are at least as important as the game itself.
- Yes.
They avoid generating "heavy" moments; any dramatic expressions are limited in time, most often in service of a joke.
- This is generally true in public, but I’ll bring up heavier, more emotionally captivating topics around certain people, but it’s more about enjoying some intensity here and there while still keeping the background ‘not too heavy’.
Alphas are also perhaps the most likely types to participate in group use of mind-altering substances. Alpha discussions tend to go off on tangents, in whatever direction seems most interesting or funny at the moment. Unusual personal observations are common, resulting from the analysis of the idiosyncrasies or inconsistencies of everyday life. If many in the group share the same observations, they are likely to express their agreement emphatically, so as to create a kind of "mental harmony" which enhances the group dynamic. If a new problem is encountered, it is expanded and developed in as many ways as possible, until some kind of satisfactory conclusion is reached.
- Yes, that all sounds right.
Alphas make no distinction between "insiders" and "outsiders", easily drawing people into a conversation once it has begun, though they tend to just as easily withdraw if the person is not receptive. Likewise, they prefer to have the same behavior at work as at play; they find formal speech and dress to be pretentious, unnecessarily limiting, and even ridiculous.
- Yes this all fits. I can have people who are more familiar vs less familiar to me, and some people just end up being ‘uncomfortable’ (or yes, non receptive). However, I’d still rather just talk to anyone like a person rather than change that based on positions of power, even if I can manage to do both.
Alphas dislike the idea that there is something going on "behind the scenes", preferring to keep things (especially personal motivations) as open and straightforward as possible.
- I don’t like not knowing things or too much ambiguity on things I want to know, but I’m perfectly okay with compartmentalizing my own life. I’m not that directly nosy though, and while I like knowing personal motivations, I usually don’t expect anyone to tell me, unless maybe if I have a reason to question someone’s intentions. Also I can put more conscious effort to how much emotion I want to express or hold off when I choose to.
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Post by vincent on Jan 7, 2021 12:38:58 GMT -5
Thanks Amy This should help a bit. But the thing is sociotypes.com presentation and take on quadras is, well, very mechanical and categorical, which paradoxically leads to "nothing too revealing but nothing to disagree with here either", as you noted. I will try to outline the main contrasts between alpha and beta myself to help you with that. Won't be today though, and probably not tomorrow either. Will try to get that done on Saturday. tbcd.
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Post by hiddenglass on Jan 13, 2021 10:29:38 GMT -5
I'm intimidated by the huge-ass walls of text throughout this thread and, without a basis of previous interaction with Amy, I don't feel the benefit of reading it all is worth it that much, so I haven't read it.
I just wanted to say I think she vibes like TiSe, and would be more interested in following / contributing to the discussion if there were a typing video or something available. is there?
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Post by hiddenglass on Jan 13, 2021 10:46:06 GMT -5
also I'm interested in reading whatever poetry you are comfortable sharing btw. feel free to dm me on fb if you want.
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Post by Roshan on Jan 13, 2021 11:50:02 GMT -5
I'm intimidated by the huge-ass walls of text throughout this thread and, without a basis of previous interaction with Amy, I don't feel the benefit of reading it all is worth it that much, so I haven't read it.
The walls of text started with the first post on December 16. It's now January 13. Why wait a month to say this?
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Post by hiddenglass on Jan 13, 2021 12:09:30 GMT -5
I'm intimidated by the huge-ass walls of text throughout this thread and, without a basis of previous interaction with Amy, I don't feel the benefit of reading it all is worth it that much, so I haven't read it.
The walls of text started with the first post on December 16. It's now January 13. Why wait a month to say this? I would have felt exactly the same on the 16th, (since obviously I didn't have more experience interacting with Amy further in the past than I do now, which was the stated basis for the absence of worth of expenditure of my effort in my evaluation per the post to which you're replying) but I had even less of a reason to contribute to her typing thread then than I do now. (namely, the simple impulse to do so)
I actually would likely have felt even less inclined to say anything on the 16th, for reasons completely unrelated to the forum. "what's worth it to me", after all, is not a static determination as I am not a static individual subject to static cumulative demands on my attention
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Post by vincent on Jan 13, 2021 13:47:10 GMT -5
also I'm interested in reading whatever poetry you are comfortable sharing btw. feel free to dm me on fb if you want.
Well, if you had dodged just a few more of those scary walls of text, maybe you would have seen that she posted her poems already
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Post by vincent on Jan 13, 2021 14:17:53 GMT -5
but I had even less of a reason to contribute to her typing thread then than I do now. (namely, the simple impulse to do so)
Well, that's the thing.
This is not Pot Luck (where impulsive posting is actually expected and welcomed). It's Alembic (at least for now and until Friday). And here there is at least some expectations and protocols for collective work.
As Roshan said in her video, everyone should take the time to read or reread the related posts and threads.
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Post by Roshan on Jan 13, 2021 14:23:51 GMT -5
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Post by hiddenglass on Jan 13, 2021 14:44:30 GMT -5
but I had even less of a reason to contribute to her typing thread then than I do now. (namely, the simple impulse to do so)
Well, that's the thing.
This is not Pot Luck (where impulsive posting is actually expected and welcomed). It's Alembic (at least for now and until Friday). And here there is at least some expectations and protocols for collective work.
As Roshan said in her video, everyone should take the time to read or reread the related posts and threads.
you have never seen, nor should you hope to ever see, a non-impulsive post from me.
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Post by Roshan on May 18, 2021 9:42:20 GMT -5
Triggernometry is a popular YouTube talk show created and hosted by two politically homeless center-left UK comedians, Konstantin Kisin and Francis Foster. I'm putting the latest episode here because I think Konstantin (not surprisingly, the swarthy one) and Francis are TiSi and SiFe creative activity partners, and Konstantin seems similar to Amy . Thoughts?
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Post by Roshan on May 19, 2021 10:03:34 GMT -5
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