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Post by Roshan on Jul 13, 2021 16:47:11 GMT -5
If it's sx 9 second, then yes. High school year book photo.
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Post by jastyne on Jul 13, 2021 21:48:31 GMT -5
I've been totally out of commission and this is the first time I've been able to see my screen well enough to read in a couple days. Unfortunately the pain in my hands is worse than it's been in a long time today, and I'm feeling overwhelmed with how much I have to respond to. But to start: Roshan , I did read through the whole thread, and I was attempting to respond to what points I could. Some of them-- such as, a voice sounding like a certain stacking-- are totally foreign to me. I'd have no idea what to listen for. I can definitely see her as sp/so--sx/sp stream, but, due to my views on the flows, had seen her as more likely synflow. Regardless, I'll have to back through and read all the replies again and give them time to settle before I can respond appropriately. I have an idea what Lizzie Grant looks like-- I actually have a whole Pinterest board of images I made awhile ago. I'll make it un-secret for a bit, in case anyone's interested. Personally, I don't look at them and see the same similarity that you seem to, Roshan. There's some kind of similarity there-- as we've discussed previously, it seems only natural that there'd be some overlap with sp/sx and sx/sp (not saying I'm completely set on the sx/sp stacking, just, that has been my impression). But I'm not perceiving her as a 'dead ringer', which I would guess means we're looking at different things? I also hadn't considered a small range of facial expression to mean someone has a strong 'sp wall'... I'll have to think about that and mull it over. I think I actually associate the most 'stoic'/ tabula rasa sort of facial expressions with so/sp? Is that different than what you mean? winter , I do have reasons for both that stacking and for sp, and I can share them if you'd like, but I would imagine you'd prefer not to have them discussed on the forum. And, like we've discussed, you know that I see you both as contra and have a hard time seeing you as a body type core, and don't personally see you as 9 core-- although you have many very strong 9 tendencies. I know you said that sp/sx would put you at 295 and sx/sp would put you at 925-- Do you see yourself as more gut type than heart type?
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Post by jastyne on Jul 13, 2021 22:00:46 GMT -5
Roshan , vincent , winter , @anthony (can't remember how to tag you Ant, sorry), Amy and whoever else might be interested-- Here's the Young Lana AKA Lizzy Grant board. Most of images with the most striking contrasts will the Del Rey persona are down towards the bottom-- there should be some good ones to add to your arsenal, Roshan . Ironically, she does actually look more so/sx// synflow in most of these pics, but:
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Post by jastyne on Jul 13, 2021 22:19:25 GMT -5
I will quickly say-- most of you seem to be leaning much heavier into image than I usually do for typing, and one thing that makes me uncomfortable is the idea that having strong sx will make someone necessarily alluring, and lacking it will do the opposite.
First and foremost, this makes me uncomfortable because the idea of what is 'alluring'/ attractive obviously varies greatly and is extremely subjective. There's also already this idea out there that people without sx in their stacking are less attractive, and I think that sort of 'stigma' leads to a lot of people understandably not wanting to type as sx-last. I do understand that, yes, the sx instinct has to do with merging, but often having it in the secondary spot makes it more obvious/ immediately evident, imo. And the last thing i'll say-- I no longer think you can really, meaningfully talk about instinct in terms of typing someone without discussing it in terms of stacking-- I sx/sp is, for example, much more 'carnal' (as makes sense, with sx + sp) in their sexual displays.
Sorry if i'm not being clear-- again, very overwhelmed, but trying to at least do something while I can
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Post by winter on Jul 14, 2021 0:27:26 GMT -5
I've been totally out of commission and this is the first time I've been able to see my screen well enough to read in a couple days. Unfortunately the pain in my hands is worse than it's been in a long time today, and I'm feeling overwhelmed with how much I have to respond to. But to start: Roshan , I did read through the whole thread, and I was attempting to respond to what points I could. Some of them-- such as, a voice sounding like a certain stacking-- are totally foreign to me. I'd have no idea what to listen for. I can definitely see her as sp/so--sx/sp stream, but, due to my views on the flows, had seen her as more likely synflow. Regardless, I'll have to back through and read all the replies again and give them time to settle before I can respond appropriately. I have an idea what Lizzie Grant looks like-- I actually have a whole Pinterest board of images I made awhile ago. I'll make it un-secret for a bit, in case anyone's interested. Personally, I don't look at them and see the same similarity that you seem to, Roshan. There's some kind of similarity there-- as we've discussed previously, it seems only natural that there'd be some overlap with sp/sx and sx/sp (not saying I'm completely set on the sx/sp stacking, just, that has been my impression). But I'm not perceiving her as a 'dead ringer', which I would guess means we're looking at different things? I also hadn't considered a small range of facial expression to mean someone has a strong 'sp wall'... I'll have to think about that and mull it over. I think I actually associate the most 'stoic'/ tabula rasa sort of facial expressions with so/sp? Is that different than what you mean? winter , I do have reasons for both that stacking and for sp, and I can share them if you'd like, but I would imagine you'd prefer not to have them discussed on the forum. And, like we've discussed, you know that I see you both as contra and have a hard time seeing you as a body type core, and don't personally see you as 9 core-- although you have many very strong 9 tendencies. I know you said that sp/sx would put you at 295 and sx/sp would put you at 925-- Do you see yourself as more gut type than heart type? Would love to understand your way of typing instincts, you did convince me initially in this thread that she was sxsp but then something seemed missing. I’m not set on any though. —- I have a fair bit to say about that to answer your Q but I’m guessing this isn’t the right thread for it. For my own yes private is probably better. My goal was to understand each type better so I could argue against or for them with, actual points.
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Post by Roshan on Jul 14, 2021 4:43:08 GMT -5
I will quickly say-- most of you seem to be leaning much heavier into image than I usually do for typing, and one thing that makes me uncomfortable is the idea that having strong sx will make someone necessarily alluring, and lacking it will do the opposite. First and foremost, this makes me uncomfortable because the idea of what is 'alluring'/ attractive obviously varies greatly and is extremely subjective. There's also already this idea out there that people without sx in their stacking are less attractive, and I think that sort of 'stigma' leads to a lot of people understandably not wanting to type as sx-last. I do understand that, yes, the sx instinct has to do with merging, but often having it in the secondary spot makes it more obvious/ immediately evident, imo. And the last thing i'll say-- I no longer think you can really, meaningfully talk about instinct in terms of typing someone without discussing it in terms of stacking-- I sx/sp is, for example, much more 'carnal' (as makes sense, with sx + sp) in their sexual displays. Sorry if i'm not being clear-- again, very overwhelmed, but trying to at least do something while I can
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Post by jastyne on Jul 14, 2021 19:38:53 GMT -5
Roshan I see that I'm supposed to be understanding something that I'm not, and I feel like an idiot (I'm aware that I'm missing something), but when I 'look' there's still a blind spot, and I just feel anxious and confused. Aside from that, I'm afraid I've been offensive without understanding what I'm doing again, so I think it's probably best if I don't try to engage until I feel physically better/mentally have a window of clarity. I sincerely apologize for any offense/denseness that might have hurt anyone
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Post by Roshan on Jul 15, 2021 8:31:05 GMT -5
Roshan I see that I'm supposed to be understanding something that I'm not, and I feel like an idiot (I'm aware that I'm missing something), but when I 'look' there's still a blind spot, and I just feel anxious and confused. I'm very sorry you feel that way. I did think you'd understand. I'll explain this later.
Aside from that, I'm afraid I've been offensive without understanding what I'm doing again, so I think it's probably best if I don't try to engage until I feel physically better/mentally have a window of clarity. That seems like a good idea, but I'll try to clarify a few things anyway later today.I sincerely apologize for any offense/denseness that might have hurt anyone. I apologize to you too, and also to people who don't know that Jazz' physical health is a regular topic of discussion between us offsite so I wasn't callously ignoring her plight. There's a back story here, but I still should have borne readers' perceptions in mind since this is a beyond serious matter. In a 'community'--I mean the entire online 'typology' phenomenon-- dedicated to paint-by-numbers of people, to convey in public (no matter how small the public) that it's in any way acceptable to prioritize a celebrity's colors and numbers over a member's real well-being was inexcusable. That it happened underscores that it is in fact time to start anew, because this forum was born of an environment that was and still is toxic sludge; it's in its DNA, it can never transcend it.
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Post by Roshan on Jul 15, 2021 9:47:51 GMT -5
In any case, to start to tie some ends together here on the never-ending 2 stackings thread, I've known this woman very well since 1991 and after all these months I'm finally confident to say that she's an sp/SO 2w3 with 6/7 (if 7 waaaay in 6) and 9w1.
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Post by Roshan on Jul 15, 2021 9:51:49 GMT -5
As the eidb splinter group stackemup years ago foretold and forewarned (or possibly typewatch?, I better try to check), Twos are very hard to 'stack' because they're routinely assumed to be higher sx than they are. Also, the years have shown that (as Sylvia and I were quick to grasp) Naranjo's sp 2 is on the money.
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Post by Roshan on Jul 15, 2021 12:47:23 GMT -5
Now her I'm just about ready to move to so/sp (range idk). As I've said many times, I'm not only all but positive she's a 2w3 but that she really seems sx last. My stacking was sp/SO but I've just never been really comfortable with it. so/sp was jastyne 's suggestion to me some time ago and now I think it's probably right. 2 often oscillating wildly between 4 and 8, but not always. And when it's not it's really obvious she's not high sx (let alone any sort of 4). One thing that really strikes me in this interview I just found is that she says when she was a kid she never thought about what she would be when she grew up, she just felt things would work out okay. This seems very non-Sixish, even as a fix, and with a stacking change I'm considering she may be one way an actual survivor of rape at a young age triple positive 2w3 Holy Will sx last counterflow could turn out. What do you do, for womanhood and country? You fetch the bolt cutters...
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Post by Roshan on Jul 15, 2021 13:55:49 GMT -5
Now, what is so sx last about that interview? It's all right here.
The sx instinct, sx qua sx, sx in and of itself, is the instinct to be unbounded, to fuse, to dissolve, to be nothing and to be All. And as I had said just prior to the recent chapter of this saga of a thread, we all have it. (Yup, I really did). So a problem with the notation and terminology is that there isn't really any, e.g., sp/so or so/sp stacking, there is rather an sp/so/sx and an so/sp/sx stacking. Then within this, the stackings are always moving dynamically (as are the points, the types), and they're also trying to move toward something, which is their integration. The integration means a casting aside of the obsessional fixation on the primary instinct toward more of an involvement with the last. There is a further issue that the true 'single variants (SP/so, SO/sp, SX/so, etc., very heavy on the first instinct) are pulling along the shadow stack (sx/sp, sx/so, sp/sx respectively), while the double variants, e.g. sp/SO, are already moving into the next (here so/sx). And then there are other complications in determining the base stacking such as the innate high sxness of 2 and 4 or 'hole factor', trauma, etc. But speaking broadly, when so/sx's fuse or appear to fuse more than some sx firsts, it's because of the sx, not despite it. I didn't say (or mean to say) that sx 'attracts'; it attract/repels, it mesmerizes, mystifies, and also repulses, and it does so inhumanly. There's a reason out of the six Buddhist realms, David Gray calls sx/so The Gods and sx/sp Hungry Ghosts and says the sx instinct is the death instinct. In this interview with Fiona it's very clear that when she's not freaking out she has a clear instinctive understanding of the boundary between the I and Thou (and also the 'self and the world of objects'), and yes it's clear in audio only--the things she says, the way she says them, the intonations she uses, the vocal textures, it's all sx last. There's no sx first person, or even high sx, on God's green earth who could possibly sustain such an interview as that, let alone for that long. The sx instinct is a fusion radar. It has no boundaries in and of itself.
It doesn't even have a self.
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Post by Roshan on Jul 15, 2021 14:10:35 GMT -5
In some sense all instincts are one, as all types are one and 9 is the mother of all fixation and nine became three, and three begat yet again three. And so once again we are at, we are, the trimurti, and sx was sp and soc all the way waaaay back to the Big Bang (and before). But since as humans we must compartmentalize in order to begin to understand--an axiomatically failed effort that is quite frankly oxymoronic: the sx instinct is the reason why after mating drone bees die. * * * The force that through the green fuse drives the flower Dylan Thomas - 1914-1953 The force that through the green fuse drives the flower Drives my green age; that blasts the roots of trees Is my destroyer. And I am dumb to tell the crooked rose My youth is bent by the same wintry fever.
The force that drives the water through the rocks Drives my red blood; that dries the mouthing streams Turns mine to wax. And I am dumb to mouth unto my veins How at the mountain spring the same mouth sucks.
The hand that whirls the water in the pool Stirs the quicksand; that ropes the blowing wind Hauls my shroud sail. And I am dumb to tell the hanging man How of my clay is made the hangman's lime.
The lips of time leech to the fountain head; Love drips and gathers, but the fallen blood Shall calm her sores. And I am dumb to tell a weather's wind How time has ticked a heaven round the stars.
And I am dumb to tell the lover's tomb How at my sheet goes the same crooked worm.
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Post by Roshan on Jul 15, 2021 14:26:35 GMT -5
So no, we don't need to stop talking about instincts and focus just on stackings. Unless we stop talking about all of it at all, which, trust me, seems to me a great idea often...but alas I find "myself" oxymoronically impelled.
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Post by Roshan on Jul 15, 2021 14:57:14 GMT -5
But to get back to the relatively more prosaic topic of the thread, right after I posted my sp/SO 2w3 friend here, this popped up on YouTube. Maybe I looked at some Oprah interview recently, or maybe it was because of one of my murderer forays, which I go on routinely. And no, I haven't 'stacked' her yet, or even watched most of it, but she's 2w3 and she'll be somewhere close to sp/so.
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