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Post by Roshan on May 4, 2020 21:21:16 GMT -5
(EDIT: We did a lot of work on Two stackings over the past couple of months. Some of it (this thread) was in Admin because e.g. it involved someone on Facebook and some of it is scattered on public threads, mostly Barbara Walters, Fiona Apple and Jennifer Lopez. Check those out. I'll organize it all but for now I'm putting most of this thread on the public forum, because it intersects with the 'E-vultology' of the Fours being looked at).They're driving me crazy and I'm trying to figure them out. If it weren't for Naranjo's Fourish sp 2 it might not be such a problem. But it still would be a problem. For one thing, where are all the bombshell seductress sx Twos everybody talks about? Brigitte Bardot is probably one of 'em and okay probably I was wrong to take Dolly Parton out but. She doesn't seem sp last but maybe that's just because of a lot of 8 on the wings and high health level so integrated 8. But where are the rest of them? I'd expect to find them among country singers, chanteuses, actresses... I really have to look into this more. (And just made the Freudian typo of writing "hate" so I better get this over with... ). Meanwhile in scouring the Net for signs of them I found this, which is...interesting... www.personalitycafe.com/type-2-forum-helper/735698-sexual-twos-according-beatrice-chestnut.html
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Post by Roshan on May 4, 2020 21:26:47 GMT -5
Oh yeah right, I also came up with that Maria Brink as an obvious sx/so 2. But there should be a LOT more
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Post by Roshan on May 4, 2020 21:48:07 GMT -5
So I came across this looking for that. Beatrice Chestnut believes sp 1 is perfectionistic, so 1 unconsciously takes on the pose of someone who is perfect, and sx 1 is a reformer who perfects others. These 'kinds of Ones' isn't so horrible and there's some correlation to the instinct too but really, sx is sx. The idea that a social One is less likely than an sx 1 to be a 'reformer' is really quite absurd. Anyway, she also thinks America decided to fulfill its Manifest Destiny due to sx One Zeal. But the thing is the pioneers didn't come from the One culture of Puritan New England and that's why the West was so wild. I know, I know, don't fall down the rabbit hole. But a toe in okay. www.personalitycafe.com/type-1-forum-reformer/351426-sexual-ones-according-beatrice-chestnut.html
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Post by Roshan on May 4, 2020 22:05:54 GMT -5
But back to Two.
So from around 2 to 3 minutes, this is the sx 2 bombshell. I think it's sx/sp, not really sure about this though. Pretty sure it's 2w3(3w4)-6w7(7w8)-9w1(1w2). If you compare her to Marilyn (same fixes, different order, and impersonating a 2 lead) you'll see that Marilyin is contrived by comparison. Her sexuality is filtered through her head center (though this is not the case when she shows her 'openness', her innocent, winsome line to 9). Brigitte is a far more an elemental force of nature than Marilyn. But because of this with Marilyn you'll tend to see more display of pyrotechnics and bombast in the sexuality so it may not appear to be the case. Be that as it may...
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Post by Roshan on May 4, 2020 22:12:08 GMT -5
Also at around 4 minutes...you don't get this kind of robustness from Marilyn I feel.
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Post by Roshan on May 4, 2020 22:18:46 GMT -5
Bardot got more sultry as she got a little older and I think here is where she really starts to seem sx/sp. Which also makes her seem 'less Twoey'. But unless I'm very mistaken this IS sx Two so it IS Twoey and this is what I have to figure out. Because...where are they?
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Post by Roshan on May 5, 2020 0:07:02 GMT -5
I imagine Simone Signoret was a sx/sp 2w1 also with 6 but probably avarice on the wing and 9. The One side of 2 can be a different universe from the Three side but she is also 'elemental' in her own way. She's middle-aged here but it's still present imo. I guess it's not what we normally think of as 'siren' but there is kind of a 'seduction to propriety' going on.
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Post by Roshan on May 5, 2020 0:12:20 GMT -5
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Post by Roshan on May 5, 2020 0:21:41 GMT -5
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Post by Roshan on May 5, 2020 0:27:03 GMT -5
I just want to know where are the other Brigitte Bardot Twos that ship captains get themselves tied to the masthead for so they can hear their siren song?
I mean Lana del Rey plays the role of such a Two..it obviously exists.
(Not to complicate things further by bringing up sp/sx vamps... ).
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Post by Roshan on May 5, 2020 5:47:54 GMT -5
Gina Lollobrigida may have been another sx/sp 2. No idea why the ones I'm coming up with are all in French. It's not like I haven't been looiking through lists of American actresses. (EDIT: sp/sx 6w5 with 2w3 and 9).
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Post by Roshan on May 5, 2020 7:32:25 GMT -5
vincent anthony As years go by I find Ocean Moonshine's descriptors more and more simplistic and less helpful but one thing I'll say is he nails it that Two stackings are often hard to discern because they already seem high sx. Some years after he wrote these descriptors David Gray correlated E2 with sx/so, correctly I feel. (Though this seems truer of the 3 wing than the 1 wing by far). oceanmoonshine9.wordpress.com/two-stacks/I had a very close friend and roommate who learned this system and she and I assumed she was sx/sp 2w3 but a few years ago I started thinking sp/sx and/or 1 wing. Little by little I've been starting to concede she may just be sp/so 2w3. If I'm right that Fellini's wife, Jiulietta Masina ^^^, is one of Naranjo's sp Twos, then Keira should fit right in. But am I? If so, can we accommodate Fiona Apple there too? On another note, 2w1 is already Sixish (wormhole) but it seems as though sx/sp 2w3, Mystifier stacking or moving toward it, isn't going to seem like what we usually think of as 2w3. And why would it? 2w3 is effusve and intrusive; this stacking is penetrating and elusive. Their boring gaze (as in to bore, to drill holes) seems Sixish, hypervigilant, like 2w1 in general can. And for that matter a lot of sp/sx's, whence LDR. Very young Brigitte Bardot didn't have this penetrating quality. I assume she was SX/sp, and young Brigitte was very wide-eyed and perky--seeming easily sx/so, as typewatch says the single variant SX/sp often does. (In fact they're outliers in that they type Marilyn Monroe as SX/sp). But by her late 20s Brigitte Bardot did acquire a sulky, penetrating intensity and to me it makes her seem much more Sixish. It was already hard enough to distinguish some 2w1s from Sixes but if I'm on the right track here, with sx the apparent overlap will happen with either 2 wing. So, I still think the retyping of Prince as an sx/sp 2w3 is wrong, but we have to go through this because it's not quite as gratuitous as it seemed. Indeed as I said I've been very well aware of the question: these mega-Siren sx Two's: where are they? Should more of them not be famous? This especially since I do type Elvis and Madonna as 3w2; there is a minority camp among 'experts' that types one or both as 2w3 (and probably I'll have to revisit this and so should you). When I ask myself what it is that makes me single out a Brigitte Bardot or a Gina Lollobrigida as a likely sx/sp 2 instead of so many other stars to choose from, and why not a Marilyn, a Prince, an Ursula Andress--or for that matter why not a Sophia Loren or an Ann Margret who I type as sx 9 with 6--it seems to come down more on the side of what they don't display than what they do. Because the midrange sx/sp--and sometimes other sx/sp--just isn't big on intrusiveness, so we can't look for the usual 2 puffed up pride or eyelash bat. We can look for what they're not though. They may be anxious or defensive but they don't seem to be wearing this as armor, they don't seem to be managing their sensuality through their head. They may be ruminative or doubting, but it doesn't seem like they're second guessing themselves or you. Their eyes may bore into you but not first and foremost with suspicion like they are protecting themselves; it's more like they're glomming on to a piece of you. So in that sense, yes, it's still 'intrusive'. They may strike poses but it's more like a kid playing 'dress up'; it feels more playful and spontaneous and you won't see the workings of a tactician in it. Also their sensuality is just juicer. This can be hard to see with Marilyn Monroe but you have to look closely. I think. On to sx 9 v. 2 v. 6 later, but this needs to be taken seriously. I've known for a long time that 2 stackings were a mess, and that everyone is yammering up hill and down dale about these sirens who drive men mad to the masthead but all we have to show for it is "Dolly Parton". Etc. 2 stacks need a lot more work. Okay fine so Prince is a Six. Is Gina Lollobrigida sx/sp 2w3? If so, is Prince still 3w4 fixed? Offhand I'd say yes, but...should I?I'm not saying we all have to drop what we're doing and man the trenches and torpedoes of Twodom but we do have to put the issue in the forefront of our E-thoughts. Like I said, I've been aware a day of reckoning was coming with these 2 stacks for a long time. The thing is, I also knew we didn't know enough yet and I expected it to emerge organically. But it emerged the way it did. So is at least 2w3 fix for Trotting Pony a completely ridiculous typing is a question that might be asked.
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Post by Roshan on May 5, 2020 20:14:21 GMT -5
Summary: sx/sp stacking, especially midrange Mesmerizer (and also sp/sx) is energetically counter to the exuberant intrusiveness of E2. This stacking is penetrating and removed so it has a lot in common energetically with 6 (though it has more in common psychologically with 4). As a consequence, there will be more confusion with 6 for sx/sp 2 on both wings than there already is with just 2w1 wormhole.
Adding on: my problems with 2 stacking come from a hidden belief that unless a particularly evocative Two is Brigitte Bardot, it can't be sx dom and most be Naranjo's sp Fourish Two. I feel like I made a breakthrough when I saw that my relatively subdued Australian 2 friend is physically and energetically a dead ringer for Bardot pre-fame, so there are just things Bardot chose to do that she did not: wear make-up, dance around in very tight clothing, etc. She is very, very seductive. She just keeps it close to the vest. She may be 2w1 (or at least 2w3[1w2]) but she's sx/sp--though not SX/sp.
Every "Fourish Two" is not sp dom. Every sx 2 is not Brigitte Bardot as we know her.
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Post by Roshan on May 20, 2020 3:22:38 GMT -5
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Post by Roshan on May 20, 2020 3:30:31 GMT -5
Giulietta Masina (Fellini's wife)
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