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Post by Roshan on Jul 12, 2021 16:37:52 GMT -5
Okay, head may be 7 but she seems very counterphobic--I'd say '6 all the way in 7'. And okay, she was way 'Holy Will' Eighting out. And pretty nuts, but she's not now and unless I'm wrong, she's still a 'hungry ghost'. Gray's term for sx/sp; likewise 'reluctantly human'.
sx 2w3 is very highly 'emotionally resonant'. Also, sx first is a thing. And then there's sx 2 "Aggression and Seduction". Margaret seems more midstream mesmerizer here btw. But the thing is there's always something mesmerizing about sx first and this is what Nadya really lacks.
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Post by Roshan on Jul 12, 2021 17:02:18 GMT -5
One-on-one locks you right in.
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Post by vincent on Jul 12, 2021 17:34:53 GMT -5
I just happened upon the transcript of an NBC news interview with Nadya from 2009 that seems to clarify a lot of things (except how many eggs were implanted and why, but this was before the investigation). It shows how Nadya planned and ran the business of pregnancy like an enterprise, working double shifts at the psychiatric facility to save for the in vitros, thinking long term, single-mindedly. It's hard not to see child rearing for Nadya as an 'enterprise'. Remember, she always wanted a large family and majored in 'child development'. I extrapolate that she got licensed as a psychiatric technician because it was one of the fields that provided direct care to the needy with biggest bang for the buck and most viable path to certification and employment.
Yes, it is really striking in this transcript.
To the point that i'm more and more convinced that she might actually be TeSi rather than FeSi.
She is really, truly, a boss, the CEO of her own family enterprise, and this seems to be way beyond Te role.
I would also expect a FeSi to defend herself by invoking the tribe.
In some way.
"No, no, i'm not alone. Sure, i don't have an husband, but i have a squad of nannies, my mother, my friends, my neighbors. We don't need tax payer money because we are a tribe".
Which, btw, would have probably led to very different reactions from the public.
She really doesn't do that.
She insists that she is alone and "self-made", which is probably not even true.
And that sounds very delta to me.
Right. She really did.
Some of those quotes are also way more religious than i expected.
In the interview she does call her last pregnancy a miracle, and a "sign from God". Here she expresses pro-life principles several times. It's not up to us human, only God decides.
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Post by vincent on Jul 12, 2021 17:39:23 GMT -5
Now I'm not saying every sx 2w3 is Brigitte Bardot but I have yet to see Nadya without an sp wall, let alone actually instinctively fusing, in the way of sx first "dissolving". Never. Not once. Has anyone?
I certainly didn't. The more i watch her, the higher her SP seems to be.
I really don't think sx first is an option. At all.
She seems way more likely to be sx last.
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Post by vincent on Jul 12, 2021 17:48:18 GMT -5
Yes, they really are. And it seems really significant that there is this difference between Nadya speaking and Nadya writing.
Which bring back to mind the fact that she says stuff like "i won't have sex ever again until all my kids are adults." Or the fact that she went to the same sperm donor every single time. A "platonic friend" she already knew before she got married.
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Post by vincent on Jul 12, 2021 17:58:19 GMT -5
Margaret Trudeau, divorced wife of a former prime minister of Canada and mother of the current one, seems to me to be sx/SP 2w3 with 6/7 and 9w1 'under stress' in this interview.
Even under stress, and even at first glance, the difference between her and Nadya is really huge.
Yeah, she really does not. She has a plan.
And/or God has a plan for her.
Same donor everytime.
Same clinic and same doctor everytime.
Always "more of the same".
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Post by vincent on Jul 12, 2021 18:05:49 GMT -5
She may be 'in the so/sp<-->sp/sx stream', SP/sx, with high sp, low sx and lower social, but 'drawing on so/sp shadow'. She certainly is a 'titanic' mom and her social media posts (unlike her speaking interactions) are surprisingly dogmatic and preachy. It's just a possibility I'm putting on the table but what I really don't see from Nadya, although it was a very appealing idea when first suggested, is sx first.
This possibility is growing on me pretty fast at this point.
If she isn't an extreme, and extremely atavistic alpha mother, if she is indeed a delta self-made family boss, she seems more and more likely to be counterflow, imo.
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Post by Roshan on Jul 12, 2021 18:25:27 GMT -5
She is a Matriarch. Founder and leader of her own Tribe. And a brigadier general in the home.
Not quite a Titan but one of the ones they write about in Scripture:
'and Natalie begat...and begat...and begat...."
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Post by vincent on Jul 12, 2021 18:30:17 GMT -5
This is...basically the exact same feeling I get from her. She strikes me as very NOT Sx first—there ISN'T any mystique, and all of her sexuality reminds me of crude, overly explicit, badly produced and [thusly] unseductive pornography. There's no draw nor 'flirt'/seduction other than just..."look at my boobs," it seems. Is it really the "exact same feeling" ?
Because i wouldn't say her pictures are crude, overly explicit, or badly produced.
I don't think they are.
They are not seductive in a sx first way, sure, but that's it.
And i wouldn't say that . she isn't really all that physically attractive(compared to say, LDR). either. She certainly is very physically attractive. Even compared to LDR.
I said both of them are playing very different games. Nadya's one seems to be a very heavily sp one, but she certainly IS at the top of it.
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Post by Roshan on Jul 12, 2021 20:47:30 GMT -5
Right. She really did.
Some of those quotes are also way more religious than i expected.
In the interview she does call her last pregnancy a miracle, and a "sign from God". Here she expresses pro-life principles several times. It's not up to us human, only God decides.
The octuplets all have Old Testament names. Source
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Post by Roshan on Jul 12, 2021 21:17:24 GMT -5
Octomom’s insanity - what happened and when? Did she have all six children before it happened? Sorry I’m getting confused, life. She got a BA in child development (not childhood education as I thought) and a license as a psychiatric technician (which had ward duties similar to a nurse's aid). She got married and wanted kids but the husband was infertile she had to have in vitro and refused for her to have in vitro so he left her. She worked as a psychiatric technician for I think three years until a patient threw a chair at her in a ward damaging her spine. She had to go on disability for that, and suffered what has since been diagnosed as PTSD, and that seems correct. I assume the PTSD was due to both what happened with the marriage and the ward. They're both an enormous wound to the core 2 fixation. Anyway, after that she went on this in vitro birthing bender. She already had six kids from in vitro when she decided to implant the remaining eggs. There were six eggs and she asked for them all to be implanted thinking they would not all work but it would at least guarantee more kids. I think she only expected like no more than three tops to 'take', would have to try to check that. This is not to say this was a 'normal' decision with six kids already but it was six eggs and she didn't expect six more kids. Then her doctor implanted additional eggs, and she wound up with this fluke of having octuplets. The doctor's license was revoked for implanting more than she asked for; the amount she asked for was already controversial. Hmmm... wiki differs from what I saw she said elsewhere. It says: Suleman's octuplets were conceived by in vitro fertilization (IVF) conducted by Dr. Michael Kamrava. Suleman claimed to have requested implantation of six embryos that she had accumulated from previous IVF treatments, despite being informed that the recommended guideline limit for a woman her age was three.[1] She stated she wanted all six transferred, as they were all that remained from previous harvest cycles, and she neither wanted to destroy them nor to continue paying for their frozen storage.[2] A subsequent Medical Board of California investigation revealed that 29 embryos remained in frozen storage; nevertheless, Suleman underwent a fresh embryo transfer cycle, and Dr. Kamrava transferred twelve fresh blastocysts into Suleman at her request.[3] The mother's health and gestational status were followed from her first trimesterI'll look at the articles in the footnotes but they're written by a legitimate journalist so this is probably right. It seems Nadya has told more tall tales than just no plastic surgery--such as that the father was one David Solomon (Once again we wax OT). It seems her own father has called out her lies at least a couple of times. Of course wiki's hardly the...um...Bible either...
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Post by Roshan on Jul 12, 2021 21:24:43 GMT -5
it is really striking in this transcript.
To the point that i'm more and more convinced that she might actually be TeSi rather than FeSi.
She is really, truly, a boss, the CEO of her own family enterprise, and this seems to be way beyond Te role.
I would also expect a FeSi to defend herself by invoking the tribe.
In some way.
"No, no, i'm not alone. Sure, i don't have an husband, but i have a squad of nannies, my mother, my friends, my neighbors. We don't need tax payer money because we are a tribe".
Which, btw, would have probably led to very different reactions from the public.
She really doesn't do that.
She insists that she is alone and "self-made", which is probably not even true.
And that sounds very delta to me.
It's tempting but I still think she's FeSi (creative subtype) in FiSe. Don't forget, she seems to have wanted to be surrounded by placenta herself, "building a protective wall around herself via protecting."^ Anyway...delta? But tbcd.
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Post by anthony on Jul 13, 2021 3:27:59 GMT -5
Social media post. She's almost certainly either sp/so or somewhere in the so/sp<-->sp/sx stream. I had said she can't be SP/sx but now I'm not so sure. It's very clear that she structured her life around having a big family (though not as big as it turned out) from the time she chose her college major. It's also clear this woman has a heavy 'sp cover'. So I could actually see her as an SP/sx 'ascetic' (or an SP/so 'get off my lawn'). What there doesn't seem to be about this woman is any kind of a 'hungry ghost'. But of course I don't mind discussing sx/SP. So please, by all means, discuss, anthony . What's your point? "I do however wonder if my perception of her as less likely to be Sx first, not seductive, etc, is just because she isn't really all that physically attractive(compared to say, LDR)."And? To clarify, when I initially wrote that, I was strictly referring to our perceptions of her energetically, and that's still what I'm talking about below. Like you said, LDR in a bee keeper's suit is more seductive than Nadya doing porn, and I agree. There are multiple different factors that contribute to someone's seductiveness. If LDR suddenly gained 150lbs of fat and it gets distributed to her face(affecting our perception of the size and shape of her eyes), to her neck(likely affecting how she talks), and to the rest of her body(affecting how she stands, carries herself), etc, how likely is it that she'll still seem more seductive than Nadya? What if LDR was born with less conventionally attractive features like an uncommonly large nose or something? Presumably, these things would affect how seductive she is, what she's able to "evoke." However, there are also energetic characteristics which we seem to associate with someone's stacking—our egoic self-experience throughout our entire lives is almost certain to impact our physical appearance. If I've only ever experienced being So/Sx, it's likely that perhaps my eyes will look softer, and that my body language will tend to evoke a sense of openness and approachability. We know that this is even observable down to more raw physical characteristics such as one's bone structure/muscle building propensity(with differences prominently showing up in gut types, compare 8w9 and 9w1), so maybe the E DOES truly impact natural, inborn physical characteristics(if you're born with your type), and not 'just' genes(which may also impact your E-type). Anyway, these things are also certain to affect how seductive someone is or isn't. (Maybe it's that Sx last individuals are more likely to be born with physical characteristics that make it harder for them to Sx "evoke," but I doubt it). I DO indeed understand that say, if someone is Sx first and obese/has a large nose/etc, we're still more likely to experience a stronger sense of inarticulable attraction or "pull" to this individual, even if it isn't just colloquial(sexual) attraction. But, someone's colloquial/sexual attractiveness DOES also seem to affect their ability to produce that same inarticulable sense of "pull" in others. So, my point(question) is: since Nadya's raw physical traits are less attractive than Lana's, how much of this is impacting my perception of her stacking given the assortment of potential 'seduction constituents' NOT related to the stackings themselves?
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Post by anthony on Jul 13, 2021 3:30:31 GMT -5
So just to be clear, I originally liked and hearted the sx/sp post and said it would work with stack-fix correlations. But again, you can't type by those correlations and this is why. With Nadya, the more you dig the more you hit a wall. Even on those occasions when she lets down her guard you still hit a wall. I see... this is really cool
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Post by anthony on Jul 13, 2021 3:34:13 GMT -5
Is it really the "exact same feeling" ? No, then, it isn't. I meant that I had agreed with what you wrote.
And i wouldn't say that . she isn't really all that physically attractive(compared to say, LDR). either. She certainly is very physically attractive. Disagree.
Even compared to LDR. Lies.
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