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Post by Roshan on Jul 13, 2021 6:54:45 GMT -5
Even compared to LDR.
Lies.
I don't know if that's a joke or if you actually think vincent is trying to deceive you or at least play with your head in some way.
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Post by anthony on Jul 13, 2021 8:40:08 GMT -5
I don't know if that's a joke or if you actually think vincent is trying to deceive you or at least play with your head in some way. Joke.
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Post by Roshan on Jul 13, 2021 8:51:07 GMT -5
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Post by Roshan on Jul 13, 2021 9:14:27 GMT -5
Okay, so, first of all I'm not sure you understand what Lizzy Grant really looks like, and also is like when she isn't posed with the right angles under the right lighting by the right photographers, directors and designers. The reason she and they are capable of creating and transmitting the siren-like illusion of Lana Del Rey is her stacking. She's a midstreams sp/sx, kin to sx/sp midstream mystifier, but typewatch calls it a 'binger' because it alternates between 'decadent' and 'ascetic'. And it's that counterflow combination that can be so compelling. Or not.
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Post by Roshan on Jul 13, 2021 9:44:56 GMT -5
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Post by Roshan on Jul 13, 2021 9:54:43 GMT -5
sp/sx is the predatory stacking. But midstream sp/sx's self-preservation is untethered from the sexual (attraction/repulsion) instinct. So Lizzy/Lana has the gift of having a 'most interpersonal' lead type with added attachment and compliance, along with the ability to 'work it', to work that sx middle without letting it interfere much with business. You're unlikely to see a tumultuous breakup of a relationship--or a huge blow-up with producers or some scandal where she trashes a hotel room, or some underage groupie raising allegations--getting in the way of her career. She's not likely to pull a Margaret Trudeau (where sx and sp are all mucked up together, and the same will hold for an 'sp/SX') unless it's been strategized. The image and business of being Lana Del Rey will prevail.
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Post by Roshan on Jul 13, 2021 10:10:05 GMT -5
And the image and business of being Lana Del Rey includes still at times walking around, giving interviews, and making videos where she's 'just Lizzy', which her diehard fans love her all the more for, because it's so authentic.
And Being Lana Del Rey also comes from a very deep place in Lizzy, because it's an instinctual part of her. Every top photographer can get a Lana come-hither-if-you-dare look from a good model for a Sports Illustrated swimsuit edition, even when they're sx last (and sometimes especially because it's more of an empty canvas to paint on) but most of those women can't sustain it. Whereas Lizzy/Lana compels us.
But (with or without the surgical embellishments), Lizzy/Lana's really not any sort of 'great beauty'. What she has is 'something else'. And that's in large part due to the stacking.
There are other typing factors too (she may have 6w55w4 and assuming our general typing is right--finally Katherine Fauvre put her in her gallery of Twos, years after I made the thread on perc saying she's an sp/sx 2w3 with 6 and 9, will someone please tell Enneagrammer who got Erica to change her from 2 to 4 after she worked with. me on that thread--she does have either sx 6 or sx 9, and either of those is a 'factor'. But the main one is the stacking.
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Post by Roshan on Jul 13, 2021 10:12:41 GMT -5
Again, Lana or Nadya? (Neither of these women has had extreme plastic surgery btw.)
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Post by Roshan on Jul 13, 2021 10:24:50 GMT -5
The issue comes down to stacking. What Nadya isn't is alluring or mesmerizing in any way shape or form. And this is what the sx instinct does. It attracts and repels. It dissolves--itself and others; it's fusion, there is an extinguishment of self/other when the attraction takes hold. In that sense, David Gray was right to say that the sx instinct is the death instinct. But that's just the flip side of the life instinct. We all have it. Some have it a lot more, others a lot less. Nadya hardly has it. At all. The closest I've seen to it (and it isn't all that close) is not surprisingly, here.
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Post by Roshan on Jul 13, 2021 10:28:50 GMT -5
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Post by Roshan on Jul 13, 2021 10:34:10 GMT -5
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Post by Roshan on Jul 13, 2021 12:47:03 GMT -5
Lana or Nadya?
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Post by Roshan on Jul 13, 2021 12:55:37 GMT -5
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Post by Roshan on Jul 13, 2021 12:58:23 GMT -5
These two women look a lot alike, as we had discussed here earlier. There's barely a photo of Nadya that you can't find one of Lana where they're almost dead ringers. The issue is that the opposite isn't true. There are a lot of photos of Lana that you won't be able to find a comparable one of Nadya, and not just the sleek sexed-up professional ones of Lana either. And the first reason is that Nadya has a very limited range of expressions. And this is what you find when someone has a very heavy 'sp cover'.
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Post by winter on Jul 13, 2021 15:44:36 GMT -5
I said it on a previous page but I find it eery how similar their facial features are.
I think what made me buy a high sx placement for Octo was that she has the dark eyes and hair which I personally correlate with an alluring mystique but I see a lot of self pres and social in both her voice, face and even the degree/job she has beforehand
Just an idea here but… Back in the days when discussing SX on ET someone (can’t remember who) said that sx can ‘merge’ with something that isn’t sexual/romantic (I think the answe was like me and my music, you can still have even sx lead for this?). I don’t know if this is still agreed or was ever agreed upon. I think it fits sx9 better but I’m wondering if she’s kinda (almost, sickly?) sx merged with being a mother or with her children or womanly capabilities in being able to take care of that many babies inside her all at once, more than once.
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