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Post by Roshan on Feb 21, 2020 15:25:28 GMT -5
We've touched on his etype months ago; he seems to be sp/SO 964 with 9w8(1w9) and a lot of 5. He's a journalist who's unusually independent among independent journalists and has both an attention to the sinews of Ti you see more in academics than journalism AND a certain sloth of 'resigned fatalism', especially in his live streams. I wonder if he might be FiSe with a particularly heavy Si demonstrative and Ti role. Ne polr also suits him; he seems always to be pulling himself out of a bog of collapsed possibilities. The only other choices I see are NiTe creative but he seems ultimately way too 'muddy' energetically (not his writing) for that. At the same time he seems way too 'sharp-edged' in various ways for NiFe or FiNe. And nothing else seems even conceivable.
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Post by Roshan on Feb 21, 2020 15:30:42 GMT -5
Also I think he's gamma because he lives and breathes the fire of individual rights and responsibilities and fairness in politics. He's always been Bernie but he has been one of the very few who consistently stood by Tulsi because she was treated so unfairly, while remaining critical of her but liking her. He seems to operate from the same 'first principles' I do and to do so with similar brooding and over-explanatory tendencies. He also sees to thrive almost spiritually from his being an 'outsider'.
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Post by Roshan on Feb 21, 2020 15:38:08 GMT -5
I don't understand why he's not looking at us and never noticed this before btw. He seems to have it set up this way for some technical reason and it's very odd.
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Post by Roshan on Feb 21, 2020 15:40:55 GMT -5
I'm also now seeing just how much he does like oracular eyeball staring into space that seems higher Ni than FiSe. Maybe he is NiTe creative subtype after all but in that case why so heavy on the Se pop eyes [EDIT: 11/12/20 we no longer consider pop eyes an indicator of high Se] and low on the 'snippy' Te energy?
(And yet still TOO snippy for NiFe or FiNe.)
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Post by Roshan on Feb 21, 2020 15:45:52 GMT -5
He may be looking in the direction of where the live stream chat is on purpose I realized.
Maybe FiSe 'jumper' so 'FiNi'?
He is lost and found in time and there seems to certainly be a lot of 'Ni ramble'.
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Post by Roshan on Feb 21, 2020 16:13:51 GMT -5
In brief he seems a very heavy Ni and Fi user but too 'dented pillow', ultimately too 'organic' in energy and in what he says to be NiTe (Se seeking). And also he just reminds me too much of M.
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Post by vincent on Feb 22, 2020 6:52:50 GMT -5
I don't understand why he's not looking at us and never noticed this before btw. He seems to have it set up this way for some technical reason andit's very odd.
It's odd indeed and it points toward low interfacing.
Te inf / Fe ignoring most likely.
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Post by vincent on Feb 22, 2020 6:56:36 GMT -5
I'm also now seeing just how much he does like oracular eyeball staring into space that seems higher Ni than FiSe. Maybe he is NiTe creative subtype after all but in that case why so heavy on the Se pop eyes and low on the 'snippy' Te energy? (And yet still TOO snippy for NiFe or FiNe.)
It's not necessarily inconsistent with FiSe imo.
In this context, he is ideating out loud, elaborating out loud, articulating out loud.
In this situation FiSe would have to "push" Ni tertiary and fight against Ne polr "mud". And what we see here could be the result of that effort.
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Post by vincent on Feb 22, 2020 7:04:38 GMT -5
He may be looking in the direction of where the live stream chat is on purpose I realized. Maybe FiSe 'jumper' so 'FiNi'? He is lost and found in time and there seems to certainly be a lot of 'Ni ramble'.
At this point, FiNi jumper would be my guess too.
I don't see enough Fe nor Ti for INFJ.
He doesn't seem Se polr at all, nor Ne aux, so not INFP.
It has to be FiSe or NiTe.
And the reason i lean toward FiSe is because i don't see enough Te energy in his body language and in his articulation.
And also because of the way he uses Si, which seems more consistent with demonstrative than with role.
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Post by Roshan on Feb 22, 2020 7:38:13 GMT -5
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Post by Roshan on Feb 22, 2020 8:04:37 GMT -5
Actually this one is more interesting to me from a typological pov:
Russiagate and its many toxic offshoots has been a toxic stew of propaganda, misdirection, lies from the very beginning. It’s like an infectious disease that is constantly spreading into new body parts. I have zero patience for anyone who still validates this garbage.
This seems F > T more than NiTe and also Ne polr.
I recognize Michael Tracey goes through a writing process similar to mine with my political Facebook posts. These tweets are finely crafted and honed, he's no way just shooting the breeze. But I want to know what he means by zero patience. If it's a disease that is constantly spreading, we may yet have to be patient, at least at times, in combatting it. What does Michael Tracey want us to do really? How should we conduct ourselves with Russiagaters? If we actually have 'zero patience', might it not spread more? Does he perhaps mean we should have zero patience with anyone who intentionally spreads this garbage as propaganda? If so should we confront them head on or ignore them, both of which show 'zero patience'? Is writing this slew of anti-Russiagate tweets a show of 'zero patience'? Did they not take time (hence patience) to write? Is this what we should be doing patiently--preaching to the converted? Etc.
There are 'many options' here that have not been explored before the 'telescoping' of Ni, and the telescoping is too weighted to Fi > T for a journalist and critic. Those who 'validate' Russiagate (who?) deserve 'zero patience' (what's that and then what?).
This seems nitpicky, I know, but it's the thought process I go through before posting a political post like his. His tweet is also a favoring of Se > T. Just...ya know...fuck 'em. Fight 'em.
I really think he's FiSe jumper.
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Post by Roshan on Feb 22, 2020 8:24:04 GMT -5
I recognize Michael Tracey goes through a writing process similar to mine with my political Facebook posts. These tweets are finely crafted and honed, he's no way just shooting the breeze. Actually, I retract in part, vincent . He IS going through a similar COGNITIVE process but not a similar WRITING process. I mean... "Russiagate and its many toxic offshoots has been a toxic stew of propaganda" Toxic twice, grammar mistake (subject verb agreement). He isn't even proofreading. Would actually read better just using 'with" instead of "and". "Russiagate and with its many toxic offshoots has been..." After all these years of writing, he IS just shooting the breeze.
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Post by Roshan on Feb 22, 2020 8:29:19 GMT -5
I mean he is AND he isn't. I've never participated on twitter so I don't know what it's like to. But I would think by now as an NiTe journalist/critic he would have at least developed a procedure for proofreading before posting regardless of how upset he is at any given time.
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Post by vincent on Feb 22, 2020 8:30:10 GMT -5
That's a very good point. It's Fi above Te. And "fuck 'em. Fight 'em" really sounds like Se aux with Ne polr. Lots on emphasis on determining who is the enemy, the enemy of the enemy, the friend of the enemy, but not so much on tactics and strategy.
Also the specific way he denounces propaganda (as TOXIC, as a DISEASE, as infectious, offshooting, spreading, etc) sounds like demonstrative Si. It's not just a Fi judgment, it's an expression of physical disgust. This is not the demonstrative Ti you would expect from an NiTe journalist in a similar state of mind.
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Post by Roshan on Feb 22, 2020 8:38:15 GMT -5
Lots on emphasis on determining who is the enemy, the enemy of the enemy, the friend of the enemy Yes and no. If Russiagate is a disease that is spreading, it can hit a friend or neutral person at any moment, and we may be able to save them in the early stages, and the best way may be with patience, etc... He 'determines' who is the enemy in sensu strictu--polarizing, similar to M.--he makes unknown people INTO enemies vincent , and this you explained was Ni archetype binarization due to Ne polr iirc. I mean, in reality Michael Tracey's far from a true polarizer but you can see the seeds of it. This tweet is just something M would wind up writing after years of being a journalist on Twitter, not me or Quin.
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