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Post by Roshan on Jun 8, 2020 10:36:28 GMT -5
Is Michael Tracey with his supervisee here?
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Post by vincent on Jun 9, 2020 9:27:05 GMT -5
At first glance, this guy seems exceedingly SeTi yes.
I'll take a closer look soon, just in case. But it's almost certainly right.
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Post by Roshan on Jun 10, 2020 6:49:31 GMT -5
Wow, I had no idea how scathing Michael Tracey is on Twitter. It has to be because of the format. All the argumentation is gone and all the rumination to get to it; all the defensiveness and rationalizations too. Only the zingers remain.
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Post by Roshan on Jun 10, 2020 6:58:48 GMT -5
It does seem Ninish. Twitter is a place to just 'punch out'. Fi > Ni also seems a lot more obvious."My dictums".
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Post by vincent on Jun 15, 2020 14:07:03 GMT -5
So i watched a bit more of the last video with Matt Bilinsky. Not the full 1h50 thing though.
And so far i haven't seen anything inconsistent with SeTi.
"i retweet you semi-religiously".
Apology of instagram.
Bilinksky is exchanging Fe currency for Michael Se and Ni, to get to Fi conviction.
That's perfectly consistent with supervision indeed.
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Post by Roshan on Jul 19, 2020 21:16:57 GMT -5
Activity partners?
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Post by vincent on Jul 20, 2020 12:53:25 GMT -5
Yes, i think that's right.
I considered ISFP too, but that impression quickly vanished. Unlike Michael, she has no Ne polr "mud factor" at all.
No over-collapsing either.
She is certainly discerning dominant, and quite obviously an Ni one.
Her insights are very good and she really get to the core of those issues, layers by layers.
What she says about social media is consistent not only with Fe polr, but with Ne ignoring and Se seeking too.
What she says about self-diagnosis and identification with mental illness is consistent with Te auxiliary and Ti 6th. She seems to be developping Fi now, by accepting the "emotional turmoil", understanding that "life is suffering", and taking Si role by focusing on "live saving".
Interacting with her, Michael seems to over-collapse less, makes more Te efforts and supply some additionnal Si, giving details, references, clarifying the chronology etc.
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Post by vincent on Jul 20, 2020 12:55:54 GMT -5
She has a website where she answers questions :
Lots of very chiseled replies, and a few battle axe-ish ones too.
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Post by Roshan on Jul 20, 2020 14:12:11 GMT -5
Yes, i think that's right.
I considered ISFP too, but that impression quickly vanished. ... Interacting with her, Michael seems to over-collapse less, makes more Te efforts and supply some additionnal Si, giving details, references, clarifying the chronology etc. vincent , I know, it seems at first that the c.t.'s could be reversed but he is the NiTe-ish FiSe and she is the FiSe-ish NiTe. And if you watch the video toward the end you'll see that Michael does something he rarely does in public--he relaxes and enjoys himself. She definitely 'activates' him. Then she seems to try to seal this activity relationship at the end (so they could go meditate together or expose scandals together or something... ) by saying he's the only person on the left who's interviewed her. Michael blows it by saying this isn't really his issue and she defaults to Fe PolR stone face as the video closes...nice to have made your acquaintance. Michael didn't understand the possibility, the opening (Ne PolR) so she withdrew the implicit offer (Fe PolR). At least that's how I saw it.
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Post by vincent on Jul 20, 2020 14:35:52 GMT -5
I watched the full video but i missed that.
I was already scrolling down her Q&A website at that point
I agree though. She does activate him, and he blows it up at the end, for the reasons you said.
You can "see it coming" already when he stresses the age difference, "you need someoby your age, really, to able to intelligently synthetize this". There might be some influence of Si 6th categorical thinking there (she doesn't belong to my generation, do i still belong to the left ?), right before the Ne polr fail.
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Post by Roshan on Jul 20, 2020 14:48:50 GMT -5
Well, he was right to stress the age difference at first vincent, because she is a "digital native" (Zoomer) and he's not, so as a Millennial he can't quite grasp the Tumblr era experience. But she transcends her age and doesn't have the temperament for the 'simulacra' of Matrix life--it's remarkable she's had almost no higher education yet and spent so much time immersed in that hellish shit storm of memes and platitudes and came out so articulate and poised. Basically he's only ten years older than she is chronologically and cosmically he's a born Senex and she is timeless so yeah he blew it. What a dork.
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Post by vincent on Jul 20, 2020 15:06:09 GMT -5
Yes, the generational difference is relevant and significant, but it was pretty much the worst time to stress it. It's a way to distance himself from her, right before he distances himself from the whole topic and close her opening.
It also implictly reduces her to her age, while she does indeed transcend it.
I mean, the whole interview is about how she went through and out of Tumblr Hell to transcend it. But he get it and he doesn't get it at the same time.
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Post by Roshan on Jul 20, 2020 15:26:53 GMT -5
I happened to be on Tumblr for a little while at that time because I joined to follow the account a young person on eidb had posted. It was exactly what Helena said but I did not understand the serious implications of it. I did not grasp in 2014 that these people weren't either just members of the 'intersectional' groups themselves or 'reblogging' the posts of those members in solidarity but were rather in the process of collective shape-shifting. It totally went by me. I also had no idea that by 2016 'trans bathrooms' would become the cudgel that people were beaten with by the media in terms of how they would vote.
I'm against pharmaceutical and invasive surgical procedures that aren't necessary in general, because they're very dangerous to health, and I'm against people being indoctrinated not to like being who they are. Beyond that there are a million ramifications but I start from there. This stuff is really serious. It's that point in the suspension bridge. How do you protect the actual trans people and stand up against the insane, toxic fad? Very tricky.
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Post by Roshan on Jul 20, 2020 15:34:03 GMT -5
#2 My friend in Tampa, Florida, a working class straight white liberal Gen X guy--and an envious rancor-filled sp 4-- who voted for Obama twice, was really pissed off, among other things because his family lost everything in the 2008 crash, and voted for Trump. One day he spun it as, "I voted for Trump because all the media talked about 24/7 was the trans bathrooms". Of course other days he spun it differently, always very entertaining. My point is I don't think people understand just how important this issue is. This is everyone's issue. It's not small. Which is also why Tracey's a dork here but whatever, the earth continues to spin...
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Post by vincent on Jul 20, 2020 15:55:19 GMT -5
I happened to be on Tumblr for a little while at that time because I joined to follow the account a young person on eidb had posted. It was exactly what Helena said but I did not understand the serious implications of it. I did not grasp in 2014 that these people weren't either just members of the 'intersectional' groups themselves or 'reblogging' the posts of those members in solidarity but were rather in the process of collective shape-shifting. It totally went by me. I also had no idea that by 2016 'trans bathrooms' would become the cudgel that people were beaten with by the media in terms of how they would vote.
I don't have much experience with Tumblr at all. But i don't doubt she is right about it for a second. Now the trending social media among kids seems to be Tiktok. Should probably look a bit into it. I guess that's where the next toxic fads are already brewing.
Right. I agree completely.
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