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Post by vincent on Jun 5, 2021 13:08:41 GMT -5
Then Ben bonds with Lex on Fe and I guess also Si, your (our) Russian (Jooish) heritage is showing.
Yes. And i guess Lex falls into the trap. because shortly after that, he jumps on a binary (general vs specific) and proposes to correlates it with another binary (young vs old).
And Ben almost interrupts him to say that "it's more complex than that".
And you can see at 1h19'09'' the look on Lex's face.
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Post by Roshan on Jun 5, 2021 13:09:13 GMT -5
hahaha @1:19' Ben invokes my old chestnut, 'formal operational'...mispronouncing Piaget but okay.
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Post by Roshan on Jun 5, 2021 13:18:03 GMT -5
And Ben almost interrupts him to say that "it's more complex than that".
And you can see at 1h19'09'' the look on Lex's face.
Yeah, well Ben had just implicitly defined general as that which can understand 750 dimensions.
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Post by Roshan on Jun 5, 2021 13:20:54 GMT -5
This is actually very significant.
This speaks to fundamental differences in quadra attitudes.
It wasn't just a question of Lex being slow on the uptake.
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Post by Roshan on Jun 5, 2021 13:25:17 GMT -5
I'm with Lex here. 750 dimensions means greater specificity.
Like I said, I feel for him.
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Post by vincent on Jun 5, 2021 13:36:41 GMT -5
Yeah, well Ben had just implicitly defined general as that which can understand 750 dimensions.
Yes he did.
But he was juggling with ambiguous definitions the whole time.
I mean, Lex isn't entirely wrong to say that we are more general at a young age, and more and more specialized after that.
Even under Ben's definitions.
It's a fact that "g", aka "fluid intelligence", which is where Ben told us the G in AGI came from, does peak at a very young age.
And if babies are stupid, it's not because they are more (internally) specialized either, but because they are more (externaly) limited.
So Ben is kind of substituting one dichotomy ("general" vs "limited") to another ("general" vs "specialized").
And the thing is Lex isn't even wrong when he says things are more controllable at a young age.
I guess he means they are more "plastic". And that's a well known and well studied fact.
Ben's reply is pretty savage : "do you have kids ? they are less controllable than you think", but honestly, it's a pretty weak and low blow.
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Post by vincent on Jun 5, 2021 13:39:29 GMT -5
Especially coming from a guy who is proud to give weird geeky names to his kids because then you just make them weird enough to like their weird names...
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Post by vincent on Jun 5, 2021 13:41:25 GMT -5
This is actually very significant. This speaks to fundamental differences in quadra attitudes. It wasn't just a question of Lex being slow on the uptake.
Yes, and i guess that's why it pisses me off.
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Post by Roshan on Jun 5, 2021 13:41:33 GMT -5
Yeah, well Ben had just implicitly defined general as that which can understand 750 dimensions.
Yes he did.
But he was juggling with ambiguous definitions the whole time.
I mean, Lex isn't entirely wrong to say that we are more general at a young age, and more and more specialized after that.
Even under Ben's definitions.
Yeah, he was. He was entirely wrong to do that without first challenging Ben's definition of general. He was rhetorically entirely wrong. So now it's time for Ben to retake the stage and he does. NeTi is Se role. Might makes right. Socially.
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Post by Roshan on Jun 5, 2021 13:43:04 GMT -5
What I want to know is when Lex will throw down the gauntlet again.
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Post by Roshan on Jun 5, 2021 13:56:26 GMT -5
1:1'26" Ben is talking about when he was teaching neural nets in a university psychology department. Lex says "In psychology?" and laughs.
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Post by Roshan on Jun 5, 2021 14:01:45 GMT -5
Ben doesn't miss a beat in explaining why his course belonged in the psychology department in the interdisciplinary program with 750 other disciplines (so to say), Ne-ishly wide-eyed and innocent with wonder. There is no problem here. But he keeps scratching his right arm with his left and then when he says 'psychology' again, he covers his chest with both arms. Briefly. But as Gulenko said, I follow the flow of life attentively.
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Post by Roshan on Jun 5, 2021 14:37:39 GMT -5
And then there is this shift where Lex seems generally more relaxed and commanding, Ben got temporarily anxious but now he seems more comfortable and settled, Ben recognizes that he hasn't been able to bring the two different camps in the field together, Lex says "Not yet", and Ben tells us that his father told him:
"Science advances one funeral at a time."
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Post by vincent on Jun 5, 2021 14:46:09 GMT -5
After that things get pretty technical pretty quickly and i can't follow most of what he/they say again.
I have to go for now but i'll get back to this later.
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Post by Roshan on Jun 5, 2021 14:54:17 GMT -5
After that things get pretty technical pretty quickly
Well, not before we wade through Ben's mid-life professional identity semi-crisis with its nano-particles of existential despair but okay. ttyl
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