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Post by vincent on May 16, 2021 8:57:52 GMT -5
The Te (with Se demo) is the Napoleon aspect (and Auburn identified Te with king energy). The Saint Francis is the Ne with the Ni PolR--remember, we're talking wax museum here! There is this 'authority' of I'm so good, I care for the animals, all the animals love me, and so does brother sun and sister moon, with TeSi, along with the more bureaucratic to militaristic authority of worldly rule of the Te/Se aspect. The combination is just what I said--half Napoleon and half Saint Francis. And it can get pretty dangerous pretty quickly. While still continuing to SEEM innocuous. And it's everywhere in modern culture. In our schools, our bureaucracies, our social services...but it is also in our arts and in psychology, and it is having a FIELD DAY in typology and other Internet-based 'spiritual systems'.
Yes indeed. That's absolutely right imo.
Half Napoleon and half Saint Francis really nails it.
Indeed. And geography is really a very good field for this type.
Typology is probably one of the worst possible ones.
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Post by vincent on May 16, 2021 9:01:14 GMT -5
Usually I zone out 2 minutes in or less to that kind of videos, even when there is nothing wrong with them. I just get kinda...brain foggy ๐
Yeah. It got a bit better with age in my case though.
I suspect Si polr people would have a similar reaction btw.
(edit : FeNi more than TeNi though, obviously)
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Post by Roshan on May 16, 2021 9:11:57 GMT -5
Well, part of the problem here is the delineation of the Ne agenda (or the lack of it). The terms of the choice are very clear for you, as his supervisor, but they are very likely to not be that clear for him. Because of Ni polr lack of discerning and because of Ne agenda "push".
Those TeSi often doesn't even see where are the borders of their lane exactly.
And their idea of growing is usually something like "moving forward".
So they are like Icarus, flying over the seas. Blue above them. Blue under them.
And it's very easy for them to lose sight of the line of the horizon.
And when it happens, they can't follow the sobering advice of Daedalus anymore.
I understand and agree with all this. I just want to stress that the Ne agenda CONTAINS the Se demo. It is not the Ne agenda per se that is the problem for the supervisor, superego, and others. It is its Se component. Think squeezing a toothpaste tube in the middle. When someone attempts to squeeze down on the Ne it amps up the Se.
I might be wrong about this but it seems to me that TeSi, being interfacer dominant with Si tool, are very very sensitive to "environmental" factors.
I think you are very right. And although Barby has attracted an environment of sweet loving people who want to educate themselves and each other and have been trying to resist the polarizing tendencies for six years through thick and thin--it's 'Love from Hungary' and 'Love from Angola' under every video every time--it still doesn't mean he/they would be open to advice on improving 'the recipe'. In fact the argument could not unlikely be, look how good we are the way we are. And yeah, you are...but the world is still burning.
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Post by vincent on May 16, 2021 9:16:22 GMT -5
[ I understand and agree with all this. I just want to stress that the Ne agenda CONTAINS the Se demo. It is not the Ne agenda per se that is the problem for the supervisor, superego, and others. It is its Se component. Think squeezing a toothpaste tube in the middle. When someone attempts to squeeze down on the Ne it amps up the Se.Yes. Absolutely. I agree.
Yes indeed.
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Post by Roshan on May 16, 2021 9:19:08 GMT -5
And geography is really a very good field for this type.
Typology is probably one of the worst possible ones.
Yes, and this is part of why I chose to focus on Barby. Geography being such a good field for it really gets to showcase it in its pure form . You get to see its mechanisms with almost no interference. And even here in this 'perfect fit' benign and humanitarian endeavor you clearly see the seeds of what could go wrong. It always goes wrong--VERY wrong--when TeSi goes into typology or 'spiritual science'. So I want to use him to help elucidate that. The other reason I went with Barby is something he said on his Facebook page. tbcd
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Post by vincent on May 16, 2021 9:23:18 GMT -5
It got a bit better with age in my case though.
Actually, not just with age actually. With time.
If i "bear with" the TeSi stacatto long enough, i usually reach some kind of attentional "second wind", so to speak, and it gets markedly better already.
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Post by vincent on May 16, 2021 9:46:01 GMT -5
Oh, tbc, when I say he faltered clumsily taking a stance against anti- colonialism, I meant against the current abstract anti-colonialist, decolonization, etc. movements, not against colonialism itself. His stance imo is correct. What's done is done. If you're making your 'anti-colonialist' argument on a computer and you have no problem with that paradox, you are already not completely 'anti-colonialist' historically by far, so stop and think. I was tongue in cheek about it because he was so clumsy, tepid and tentative, not because it's not a serious topic. It is. But...Ni PolR and Fi inferior....he just does not really know why he's doing all this ultimately or who it's for.
Yes indeed. He doesn't know who or why. Ni polr and Fi inferior is really really obvious here.
It's pretty much the only time he attempts to "dive" below the surface. And it doesn't go that well...
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Post by Roshan on May 16, 2021 10:52:35 GMT -5
And it doesn't go that well...
It doesn't go that well but it could if he thought about it more. He is perfectly capable of elucidating why people preaching decolonization from technology onto the Internet are misguided. It just involves making the decision to move out of his lane (geography) into some pretty nuts and bolts...um...sociology....or history or political science or or whatever. (idc what you call it as long as you see it's not just 'geography' and don't call it 'critical theory' ). So it's outside his lane of geography but he would still be playing in his league. ALL he would really have to do is decide who he wants his audience to be and how much of the current audience he's willing to risk losing depending on how many of those views he divulges and how he divulges them. That's Fi, not Ni. I mention this now to point out the difference between staying in your lane and playing in your league. There is overlap but they are different and this difference is crucial with TeSi. Because TeSi does not, and axiomatically, cannot, know when it's not playing in its league if that league has anything at all to do with Ni and they have anything at all invested emotionally or otherwise in that domain.
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Post by Roshan on May 16, 2021 11:12:16 GMT -5
So Fi is hard enough for them because it's inferior but all they have to do is reach it. When it comes to the Fi/Ni arena of typology and whatever you want to call what Morgue and Teal Swan do, that is truly disaster.
Now if I were to tell Barby that making videos on the well-known countries is not his true lane yet, and that he should either focus on less known places OR amp up the Fi discernment selection process, he would probably have apoplexy. But it would be due to my delivery. It should be well within his lane if he just reaches a little more Fi and he should be able to hear that easily if the right person tells him.
If I were to tell Barby he's not a 4w5 or an SeFi or an avatar of Kumbishi the dolphin god of Atlantis he would say 'who cares'. Or so I imagine and so he should. These people should stay out of any arena of psychology, esoterica, or the arts that's based on categories (and archetypes are categories) because they are going to mistake those categories for the names of administrative districts of countries in Africa and apply them in the same way. It is out of their league and always will be. No matter how many millions of followers they may get.
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Post by Roshan on May 16, 2021 11:38:46 GMT -5
Okay to be clear once again, if they are of average health or higher and the right person works with them to find their ct and E type that's fine. But they should generally not immerse themselves in these systems and would have to be of extraordinarily high health to be fit to teach them. And even then...really, they would be better off devoting themselves to something else and so would we all.
Katherine Fauvre has to be TeSi.
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Post by vincent on May 16, 2021 11:41:11 GMT -5
So Fi is hard enough for them because it's inferior but all they have to do is reach it. When it comes to the Fi/Ni arena of typology and whatever you want to call what Morgue and Teal Swan do, that is truly disaster.
Yes, literally disaster. The most catastrophic and worst possible kind of collapse.
Yes indeed.
Right. And that's probably why, in saner times and places, those things are either hidden and occulted or ritualized. Not to exclude Ni polr people per se, but to protect them from it. (and then, us from them).
Polr is always the "vulnerable function". But when that function is Ni, it's even more true.
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Post by vincent on May 16, 2021 11:48:37 GMT -5
Okay to be clear once again, if they are of average health or higher and the right person works with them to find their ct and E type that's fine. But they should generally not immerse themselves in these systems and would have to be of extraordinarily high health to be fit to teach them. And even then...really, they would be better off devoting themselves to something else and so would we all.
Yes indeed. In those saner times and places i just alluded to, that would take the form of a proper initiation.
Right.
And you can measure up the catastrophic state of the ct community by counting the TeSis among its online teachers.
Dave "Super" Powers, CSJoseph, and all the TeSis who mistype as INFJs...
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Post by Roshan on May 16, 2021 11:50:15 GMT -5
So I want us to look at something Barby posted on the Geography Now! Facebook page so we can understand TeSi's purpose in the socion: Geography Now April 30 at 12:50 PM ยท The Street sweeper dude on my block was awesome, he double checked and took extra care. I literally went out to thank him. It inspired me to make this. Huge thanks to anyone working in the sanitation industry. For real. My first job was being a janitor at age 15 with my dad at a solder plant. Sanitation workers get rid of the bad and make it good. -By definition, that makes you heroes. Thank youIt is about purification and renewal. About achieving Ne, the NEw via Si purification (what is SanItary) from the frame of TEchnics. With Fe role it is also about collective gratitude.
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Post by Roshan on May 16, 2021 11:55:08 GMT -5
The problem arises because of the paradox of this sacred mission being in the hands of a type that has perhaps the greatest difficulty truly understanding the sacred (though FeSi is a close second). And this is why you get the feeding frenzy of TeSi Internet cult leaders with this TEchnology.
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Post by Roshan on May 16, 2021 12:01:03 GMT -5
Note that I said 'difficulty truly understanding the sacred'.
I would imagine in the days before we killed God, as Nietzche would say, when there was not such a constant lure within the ever-present TEchnology TO understand it systematically (and to become famous and to profit from it,) some of our TeSi cult leaders would have been in other fields entirely, some would have been benign to benevolent priests, and some would have been Torquemadas.
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