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Post by vincent on Feb 24, 2021 8:25:56 GMT -5
So this is what fake Ni in counterphobic Ni PolR in shadow mode looks like folks. Pay attention.
Yes, precisely.
And it's also what Fi peacocking "gone wrong" (for Fe role reasons) looks like.
If this guy was into typology, he would mistype as an INFJ or as an INFP (typing as his dual). And he would probably type as some variant of high sx 458.
We have seen this before with other TeSi with similar configurations.
To measure and appreciate the amount and magnitude of the peacocking, just compare him with his Fi dom dual Contrapoint
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Post by vincent on Feb 24, 2021 8:28:02 GMT -5
I will answer your post soon adrian but first let me ask you : why did you choose to cheat by watching this specific video ?
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Post by adrian on Feb 24, 2021 9:58:20 GMT -5
I will answer your post soon adrian but first let me ask you : why did you choose to cheat by watching this specific video ?
It was one of the shorter videos.
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Post by vincent on Feb 24, 2021 15:23:55 GMT -5
It was one of the shorter videos.
Sounds like Te seeking (as you already pointed out yourself). There is definitely some semi-duality going on here.
The thing is, this video is also interesting in itself for several reasons, and i will probably get back to it later.
tbcd.
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Post by vincent on Feb 24, 2021 15:42:37 GMT -5
I see what you guys mean when you say there’s something bloodless and impersonal in his presentation. And this presentation goes hand in hand with expediency in his use of the common stylistic and conceptual elements of the subcultures he’s involved with. Though the ideas he’s discussing are pretty rudimentary to more well-read people or people in the know, and are at this point, honestly pretty mundane,
Well, see that's the thing.
This stuff can't and shouldn't be "mundane". Mundane is a big part of the problem here.
"bloodless and impersonal" is low Fi with shadow Ti.
The expediency itself is the Te frame. The "common stylistic and conceptual element of the subcultures" is Si auxiliary syncretic borrowing.
But "mundane" is actually his Ne agenda.
It's not a side effect or a consequence. It's the goal and the game.
It's not just "a bit premature". It's incredibly arrogant, an arrogance that is really pretty specific to Ne agenda.
The agenda of claiming Ne authority OVER anything and everything Ni related, as part of counterphobic avoidance of the polr.
At that level of shadow, this agenda goes directly against anything ineffable, hidden, esoteric and deep.
So the Te articulation of it isn't just expedient, it's literally exploitative. See ?
It feels forced and imposing because it's driven by Se 6th. And to be able to sell anything "occult", he has to make the higher mysteries not mysterious at all.
And not that high either. The "unfolding" of Ne agenda, in this configuration, is also a flattening.
But without those terms and phrases, without the "trappings of the occult" he wouldn't have anything to sell anymore.
Since what he is actually selling IS the trivialization of the occult itself.
It would defeat his Ne agenda entirely.
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Post by vincent on Feb 24, 2021 15:50:50 GMT -5
Anyway, i didn't post about him only because i suspected we would indeed be able to type him from his channel alone.
I posted about him because he is a very very very clear example of TeSi in TiSe shadow.
And a very very very clear example of counterphobic Ni polr. Ironically archetypal, so to speak.
In the next few days, i will post a few more videos of him and comment on them to illustrate specific things about specific slots. Will take a bit of time because (as you could expect from a profilic Ne agenda youtuber) his channel is quite a rabbit hole.
tbcd.
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Post by adrian on Feb 24, 2021 15:55:31 GMT -5
“But without those terms and phrases, without the "trappings of the occult" he wouldn't have anything to sell anymore. Since what he is actually selling IS the trivialization of the occult itself. It would defeat his Ne agenda entirely.” vincent this is the clincher and this is the most damning thing about his whole operation. You’re right, the topics he’s talking about SHOULDN’T be mundane and trivial (they are not), but the way he appropriates them, is yes, exploitative.
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Post by Roshan on Feb 24, 2021 23:49:28 GMT -5
adrian , when I said it was all so bloodless and impersonal, I wasn't really talking about the presentation because all I had done was look at the top of the video page (without clicking anything) and the top of the community page. That's why I found it so surprising and amusing when I first heard the sound and I was like "Tucker! Fancy meeting you here!" I actually expected him to seem more enervated due to affectation, like Kafka-Only-More-Unique, less strident and shrill. But it's still not the stridency and shrillness of SeFi on SiFe soapbox shadow ahmed . He's much more mechanical. He's like...a field marshal in drag. (But used car salesmwan works too).
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Post by vincent on Feb 25, 2021 11:03:06 GMT -5
Well, that's the thing. They go from used care salesman to field marshall (and from there to People's Commissar) in a process. That's the story of most revolutions actually.
They start by selling INFP dreams (their duals) then the dream (and their duals) need to be saved,and they take the sword.
They are bloodless AND bloodthirsty at the same time. And bloodthirsty because bloodless. There is something vampiric about this configuration.
It's not a coincidence if Kafka-Only-More-Unique looks like Anne Rice's Lestat the Vampire. Or if Morgue looks like Moorcock's Elric of Melnibone. (reluctant heir of an Empire, wielder of souldrinking cursed sword)
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Post by Roshan on Feb 25, 2021 15:22:52 GMT -5
They go from used care salesman
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Post by vincent on Feb 25, 2021 16:16:45 GMT -5
that was unvoluntary !
But it does fit pretty well actually
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Post by Roshan on Feb 25, 2021 16:32:41 GMT -5
What we say is "That was a Freudian slip", vincenzo. What I often say is "That was a Freudian négligé.
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Post by vincent on Feb 25, 2021 16:40:45 GMT -5
Freudian negligé is way sexier !
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Post by Roshan on Feb 25, 2021 17:54:50 GMT -5
Freudian negligé is way sexier ! Ah, I thought it was just way funnier but yeah.
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Post by vincent on Mar 6, 2021 17:25:28 GMT -5
Imo, yhis video shows pretty clearly a lot of what we said in this thread. The (snake oil) salesman stance, the Ne 3rd arrogance, the ultimate lack of depth and substance, etc.
But it also shows how deep he his in TiSe shadow, one of the reasons he got stuck there, and what's going on with his 5th function.
Around the 1min mark, he starts by making a distinction between empirical proof (Te) and rational proof (Ti)
And the thing is Te isn't good enough. Only Ti gives you "100%" proof. Ergo the rational proof is more powerful (his word at 2min06)
It doesn't seem to matter for him that those "100% proof" are purely theoretical and abstract, and still dependent on a set of premises. What matters here is the illusion of HIS omnipotence and omniscience (Se 6th as shadow agenda).
After that his use of the Epicurean Paradox is full of holes, shortcuts and category mistakes and doesn't show much actual Ti. The interfacing is still heavily Te and it's also Si aux making an expedient use of a "classic". The whole point is to establish a shadow frame where everything is "mathematical", and ultimately unsubstantial.
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