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Morgue
Mar 7, 2021 2:33:46 GMT -5
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Post by Roshan on Mar 7, 2021 2:33:46 GMT -5
@00'43" " If all you're doing is creating, within your mind, you're going to hit road blocks and you're going to hit barriers and you will no longer be able to create, you will no longer be able to progress, you will no longer be able to move forward! These barriers will be in place, stopping further creation!" Makes powerful fist. Sternly: "You must use the power of destruction to remove these barriers. Now some of these barriers are religion, and morality and cultural conditioning..." See how S is S and he just seesawed too far into the extraverted orientation of the second row?... sung to a lilting tune: It starts when your demo overdemonstrates / from stress when you're a mess, next thing you know it's too late / and you're in shadow, you're in shadow, all you are is acting out, oh... Yup, my supervisee. If he were FeSi I'd want to kill him. Instead he makes me sing. Recopying this. Maybe temporary maybe not. Think it may be relevant now.
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Post by vincent on Mar 7, 2021 2:50:07 GMT -5
Recopying this. Maybe temporary maybe not. Think it may be relevant now.
Yes it is.
I was planning on quoting it for the next row and the 6th.
Your song perfectly captures what happens there for him.
In the same way he unignores Ti to get more "convincing" power than he would get from Te, he overdemonstrates (and over-weaponizes) Se to break down Si barriers.
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Post by vincent on Mar 7, 2021 15:10:45 GMT -5
There is several relevant things in the video adrian posted, imo.
As the title itself suggests, you will see massive Se 6th here.
Overdemonstration and overweaponization, to the point that his shadow agenda seem to be completely conscious, valued without ambivalent countervaluing.
Which is obviously not the case. It's Te frame "high functioning". Unhealth pretending to be actualization. Shadow mode pretending to be integrated shadow.
His speech (it's quite literally propaganda) about the Will to Power has ultimately little to do with actual Se. Significantly, the "overcoming" he is talking about is basically and actually exposure therapy. it's not just about making the Will stronger, it's also about making the obstacles progressively smaller. And getting habituated to them.
Si -> Se. And even then, that would be prey Se rather than predator Se.
(Unsurprisingly, he doesn't get Nietzsche either. Nietzsche isn't "all about Power". Nietzsche is about creating value. But i digress).
But the most interesting thing here is what happens with his F, in the 4th row.
There is quite a lot of Fi peacocking, and gamma mimicking here.
But there isn't much "I" and actual individuality.
His enunciation is in the third person. "one does this", "one does that".
He stress out the importance of individuality and autonomy, but this individuality is ultimately contentless, empty, it doesn't actually matter.
We are just "mathematical entities". Differing only by our coordinates in the cosmic soup.
You will hear a lot of "collectively" too.
We must actualize collectively. We are collectively the creators of the world.
And the thing there is two blurred collectives here :
The collective that exists at global scale. At soup level. It's an universalist one. Not a tribe. Not a specific group. It's also a virtual one. De jure, not de facto.
And that's pretty typical delta Fe role. But there is ALSO the implied and constantly winked at actual collective. The hyperian elite. The followers. And that's (beta) shadow Fe seeking.
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Post by Roshan on Apr 20, 2021 7:40:00 GMT -5
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Post by vincent on Apr 21, 2021 14:30:17 GMT -5
Oh God... those were some pretty long 12 minutes.
So many steps for (basically) nothing...
But right, the similarities with Morgue are really striking here.
Tone, cadence, body language, everything. Even the winks...
And a lot of what we said here about him would also apply to her.
I thought she was one unhealthy and narcissistic FeNi. Mostly because Ne 6th and Si polr seemed to make sense (and it was highly doubtful that she would be gamma over beta).
But TeSi in TiSe shadow explains why her Se (and Ne) are much more obvious than her Si. It's not that she is Si polr, it's that she want (us) to overcome our "Si obstacles", just like Morgue.
And so she is my conflictor... Duh !
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Post by Roshan on Apr 21, 2021 15:26:25 GMT -5
"To understand deeper what love is, watch my video 'What is Love?'", said in monotone with flat affect, replete with cut to her muted on that video.
That's one helluva fourth row F.
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Post by vincent on Apr 21, 2021 15:33:08 GMT -5
Yes indeed.
And then her public hugging of followers on stage is (delta) Fe role and Fi peacocking.
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Morgue
Apr 21, 2021 15:35:02 GMT -5
Post by Roshan on Apr 21, 2021 15:35:02 GMT -5
And now we can christen the ship. Teal Swan's pinned video, Tutorial for Life, is Ni PolR.The res extensa that never stops extending. All day every day. I christen this ship Overboard.
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Post by Roshan on Apr 21, 2021 15:37:16 GMT -5
This (tutorial ^) is EXACTLY what I keep saying is TeSi fake Ni "Everything happens for a reason" 'spirituality'.
Yes siree bob.
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Post by vincent on Apr 21, 2021 15:44:41 GMT -5
Right...
And all that never ending "expansion", and all those never collapsed "reasons" are completely meaningless.
Just like Morgue's 1+1=0 "equation".
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Post by Roshan on Apr 21, 2021 15:45:24 GMT -5
"There are no mistakes..."
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Morgue
Apr 21, 2021 15:47:33 GMT -5
Post by vincent on Apr 21, 2021 15:47:33 GMT -5
It's not even relativism (which Ne 6th can be).
It's "whateverism".
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Post by Roshan on Apr 21, 2021 15:54:38 GMT -5
Well, the irony of course is that she and the rest of the TeSi gurus are the 'authorities and ultimate arbiters of whateverism'.
At least the FeSi gurus make fewer bullet points.
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Post by Roshan on Apr 21, 2021 15:57:55 GMT -5
btw I E-typed her 3w4-9w1-6w7 sp/so and the only doubt I have is the stacking but there is a milkmaid under that glazed stare.
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Post by vincent on Apr 21, 2021 16:01:11 GMT -5
Hmm that stacking seems right to me. And i agree with the milkmaid aspect too.
Actually, that's part of what makes her beta-ish.
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