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Post by Roshan on Feb 23, 2021 18:26:17 GMT -5
I leaned TeSi primarily because of CS Joseph But I wonder whether Te agenda & Ni seeking could possibly go in a similar direction👀 It could and it does in that it can make such a caricature of itself. But it doesn't have the same flimsy unsubstantial quality. You will still feel real blood to it. Also the themes here are too...tepid.
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Post by Roshan on Feb 23, 2021 18:37:37 GMT -5
I mean don't get me wrong: SeFi in self-caricature mode can be shallow, clichéd, and not the brightest bulb on the marquee...but even then the heavy-handedness of it all will be substantial. Not flimsy. This all feels so...abstracted...ephemeral...that's the TiSe shadow. SiFe shadow is not like that. It's strident and concrete.
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Post by Roshan on Feb 23, 2021 18:43:17 GMT -5
I mean: MorgueOfficial 1 week ago My Book, The Path of Shadow, is available right now at www.iamhyperian.com/product/t... Actualize your POWER by integrating your shadow and light, and understanding the nature of reality. This book is divided into three sections, the first explores your shadow self, primal urges, lusts, and secret desires. The second, outlines techniques for experiencing the source through frequency states, mental sex, psychedelics, art, symbols, and various mental exercises. In the third, the mathematics of the source and innerlight is introduced, explaining how existence is possible, how space and time began, and the purpose of the universe. Learn more and read reviews now at www.iamhyperian.com/product/t... FREE Shipping within US 282 68
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Post by ahmed on Feb 23, 2021 18:49:44 GMT -5
I mean don't get me wrong: SeFi in self-caricature mode can be shallow, clichéd, and not the brightest bulb on the marquee...but even then the heavy-handedness of it all will be substantial. Not flimsy. This all feels so...abstracted...ephemeral...that's the TiSe shadow. Yeah...right. It's a flimsy & slimy "used cars salesman" quality to TeSi. (Which is what this guy, the one anthony posted and CS Joseph all have in common) Right. And also probably not in it mainly for the "gain" as much. More fire-y
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Post by Roshan on Feb 23, 2021 18:52:04 GMT -5
There's no real flesh and blood unique person in there. This same person could have done something similar in any era and any place, using and reconfiguring the ritziest most risqué ideas du jour, while drawing the blood out of them. This is what's ephemeral about it, and also what's "T" frame in shadow.
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Post by ahmed on Feb 23, 2021 18:53:05 GMT -5
I mean: MorgueOfficial 1 week ago My Book, The Path of Shadow, is available right now at www.iamhyperian.com/product/t... Actualize your POWER by integrating your shadow and light, and understanding the nature of reality. This book is divided into three sections, the first explores your shadow self, primal urges, lusts, and secret desires. The second, outlines techniques for experiencing the source through frequency states, mental sex, psychedelics, art, symbols, and various mental exercises. In the third, the mathematics of the source and innerlight is introduced, explaining how existence is possible, how space and time began, and the purpose of the universe. Learn more and read reviews now at www.iamhyperian.com/product/t... FREE Shipping within US 282 68 why
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Post by Roshan on Feb 23, 2021 18:55:44 GMT -5
Because it sells in Peoria.
Sort of.
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Feb 23, 2021 21:32:06 GMT -5
Post by Roshan on Feb 23, 2021 21:32:06 GMT -5
omg I just clicked on his channel name from the community page so I could watch a video and it automatically gave me a recording of him talking. He sounds just like Tucker Carlson! (Turns out it's the audio to the video he has pinned on his channel o.m.g. what. a. ham.)
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Post by Roshan on Feb 23, 2021 21:36:05 GMT -5
Please bring back Varg the real TiSe.
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Post by Roshan on Feb 23, 2021 21:41:06 GMT -5
So this is what fake Ni in counterphobic Ni PolR in shadow mode looks like folks. Pay attention.
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Post by Roshan on Feb 23, 2021 22:03:05 GMT -5
@00'43" " If all you're doing is creating, within your mind, you're going to hit road blocks and you're going to hit barriers and you will no longer be able to create, you will no longer be able to progress, you will no longer be able to move forward! These barriers will be in place, stopping further creation!" Makes powerful fist. Sternly: "You must use the power of destruction to remove these barriers. Now some of these barriers are religion, and morality and cultural conditioning..." See how S is S and he just seesawed too far into the extraverted orientation of the second row?... sung to a lilting tune: It starts when your demo overdemonstrates / from stress when you're a mess, next thing you know it's too late / and you're in shadow, you're in shadow, all you are is acting out, oh... Yup, my supervisee. If he were FeSi I'd want to kill him. Instead he makes me sing.
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Post by Amy on Feb 24, 2021 0:48:23 GMT -5
I may have to come to back to this later in the week because of school work, but I'll get back to it when I can
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Post by adrian on Feb 24, 2021 1:13:58 GMT -5
My impression before watching the videos: He adopts a lot of the common aesthetics, tropes, and language of the New Age, Hermetic/Left Hand Path, and goth subcultures and these elements are presented expediently.
My impression after watching a video (I cheated I’m sorry 😣)
This one:
and the one Roshan posted above.
I see what you guys mean when you say there’s something bloodless and impersonal in his presentation. And this presentation goes hand in hand with expediency in his use of the common stylistic and conceptual elements of the subcultures he’s involved with. Though the ideas he’s discussing are pretty rudimentary to more well-read people or people in the know, and are at this point, honestly pretty mundane, I can see how he has incorporated these concepts into something actionable, concrete, and relatable, especially as he relates them back to his trauma and issues with public speaking, and as someone who’s Te-seeking, I can appreciate that.
Nonetheless, I’m simultaneously desiring for more (not more of him, but what he’s putting out is just not satisfactory for me) and wanting less. The ideas he discusses are stuff that I already know whether inherently, just through my own studies, or osmosis through interacting with these subcultures (plus they are becoming more mainstream or more accurately less esoteric). When it comes to the occult, I honestly think a lot of it is best left ineffable and hidden. While there are aspects of the occult that are systematized and articulated and these systems do help people delve deep into these topics, not just intellectually but psycho-spiritually too, to purport to have the definitive answers to these big questions is a bit premature. I haven’t watched the rest of this videos, but his unsubstantialness comes from the way he engages these concepts that betrays a detachment from the visceral and embodied experience of the ineffable. It all feels forced, as if he’s imposing a communion (or trying to sell the idea of a communion) with the higher mysteries.
If you exchange some terms and phrases, the concepts he espouses can be easily transposed in a therapeutic or clinical setting, or through a self-help framework without the trappings of the occult.
I do agree with TeSi.
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Post by vincent on Feb 24, 2021 8:10:50 GMT -5
I mean don't get me wrong: SeFi in self-caricature mode can be shallow, clichéd, and not the brightest bulb on the marquee...but even then the heavy-handedness of it all will be substantial. Not flimsy. This all feels so...abstracted...ephemeral...that's the TiSe shadow. SiFe shadow is not like that. It's strident and concrete. Yes indeed.
SeFi in SiFe peacocking Ni can get pretty ridiculous, and would share some of Morgue kitsch-est traits. But they wouldn't offer Ti pseudo-demonstration of the inexistence of God, nor equation "proving" that existence = zero.
Morgue is way too abstract indeed to be Ti polr, even with massive counterphobia.
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Post by vincent on Feb 24, 2021 8:14:19 GMT -5
I mean don't get me wrong: SeFi in self-caricature mode can be shallow, clichéd, and not the brightest bulb on the marquee...but even then the heavy-handedness of it all will be substantial. Not flimsy. This all feels so...abstracted...ephemeral...that's the TiSe shadow. Yeah...right. It's a flimsy & slimy "used cars salesman" quality to TeSi. (Which is what this guy, the one anthony posted and CS Joseph all have in common)
Yes. And the more unhealthy they get, the more they become "snake oil salesmen".
And in full shadow mode, it get bigger and bigger, and they sell God as their snake oil.
All Ni themes but no actual Ni.
Lot of Fi peacocking. But very little actual Fi (and most of it very childish)
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