ahmed
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Post by ahmed on Jan 25, 2021 13:40:56 GMT -5
At this point i have been typed as all introverted intuitive types. Usually if I'm aware I'm being typed I try to "deflect" direct type questions >->. If type has any validity then it should show itself, there is a huge room for interpretation yes and dialogue is 100% important...but that shouldn't mean the same as asking self assessment function questions. Part of the reason is also that, it's harder for me to tell what I do over what I don't. *However, might as well try to do that👀 * Assuming that it is indeed one of the 4 introverted intuitives Fe polr doesn't make sense, neither does delineated Fi agenda, I don't have trouble reading the room/the vibe/understanding the relations between people or reading the shades. However with Fi it's much more directed outwardly rather than inwardly, I don't pull it unless the situation requires it, and usually as a reaction. And I don't see how i would be systematizing and mechanically readjusting for Fe workarounds, neither am I resistant to it as an Fi dom would probably be. That leaves either TiNe or NiFe, which is much tougher because it's even harder for myself to notice which extroverted functions i use or value, both Fe & Ne seem hard for me to "yield"...both are a bit...slow. Fe is easier to notice, but much harder to act on (I need a kick to the balls to fully go in lol) and I can see when I fail in it. Ne is more "break-like" in how it operates. With polr Se & Polr Te It's hard for me to settle. I'm fairly action avoidant, I need a massive shove & pressure to get things going. I'm not sure what Te really is anymore, the more I think about it the more it seems like how I conceptualize a combination of Ti & Se  IEI fits in socionics, when considering Si hidden agenda as "valuing grounding in ideas & comfort + needing a 'good' vibe", it doesn't fit. Ti & a more "eclipssed/creative" usage of Fe makes better sense. And in terms of axis, collapsing data points into singulars (Se/Ni) seems likely-ish, im not firm on my understanding of Ne/Si nor the variations it could have with a possible "double introvert" The film document: docs.google.com/document/d/123fcTYSIi2u4ya89B1qzjVjK3NbTPZ4uYJTd9ucPrVI/edit?fbclid=IwAR0JAO_fhWmEar3wTBvtNeM2U6Sf5TyTRjvw3BYht-9vG22_uQqIJoV0RFE#heading=h.ufcha9gvkdowhat do you guys think? 👀 Edit: since I mentioned most common typings, I'm also half proud to say SeFi was briefly considered during a vultology typing, but they had me as a polarized NiTe after all, which was a bit disappointing🤔 |
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Post by vincent on Jan 25, 2021 14:48:38 GMT -5
Thanks for the post and the video ahmed !
I will watch and get back to you soon.
Probably not today though, it's getting late already here.
A question though :
that SeFi then "polarized NiTe" vultology typing... was it from Auburn ?
I don't remember him (nor them really) using that specific piece of terminology. 
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Post by ahmed on Jan 25, 2021 14:59:54 GMT -5
Thanks for the post and the video ahmed !
I will watch and get back to you soon.
Probably not today though, it's getting late already here.
A question though :
that SeFi then "polarized NiTe" vultology typing... was it from Auburn ?
I don't remember him (nor them really) using that specific piece of terminology.
Na it wasn't from auburn, but polarized development is used by auburnđź‘€ cognitivetype.com/8-development-levels/ |
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Post by vincent on Jan 25, 2021 15:04:43 GMT -5
Oh ok, i see. That's his name for I--I.
Thanks !
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Post by Roshan on Jan 25, 2021 20:36:22 GMT -5
Oh ok, i see. That's his name for I--I.
Thanks !
What, you don't remember he has Peterson as a polarized Fe-Ti with pianist fingers?  |
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Post by Roshan on Jan 26, 2021 8:30:37 GMT -5
I have some ideas ahmed, but I'll defer first to those longer in the tooth of ct. Nice video! |
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Post by vincent on Jan 26, 2021 13:00:21 GMT -5
Ok so..
First let me say this :
You're not wrong. Overall.
Your self-assessment of your cognitive functions is pretty much correct. That's unusual enough to be noted. And it's already a typing clue.
Now based on your video...
-One thing that definitely stands out is that both your Fe and your Fi are way too good to be 4th row.
They are actually better than you gives yourself credit for.
Good enough for a strong 2nd row.
And actually good enough for first row to be seriously considered.
So either NiFe and FiNe. but not TiNe.
-Energetically, you do NOT seem Se polr. Se seeking yes, but not Se polr.
One more argument against TiNe.
But also one for NiFe over FiNe.
-That video shows a lot of pretty good Ti.
And that Ti seems more consistent with an agenda (trying to delineate an actual system) rather than with a frame (endlessly pondering variables and putting them into equation).
It seems also too good, too fluid and too organic to be role. Actually, most of your questions and issues with typological systems are the exact same i have, or used to have when i started with all this.
Overall, your main process seems to be clearly Pi dominant. Discerning, not deliberating. And obviously Ni over Si.
So, at this point, i'm leaning strongly toward NiFe.
And specifically toward NiFe creative subtype.
The strength of the whole second row, including Fi 6th, is the reason why i initially thought you were FiNe, one year ago, and was still ready to buy that over TiNe now.
Interestingly and funnily enough, i think you actually listed your extraverted functions in their exact order of strength.
Fe. Then Ne. Then Se. Then Te.
If i'm right, Te polr is the reason why you do not "understand Te", and the reason why you're trying to "grasp" it as "something like Ti+Se" (which are both in your main stack, and as such can serve as a workaround for your polr).
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Post by vincent on Jan 26, 2021 13:16:49 GMT -5
And...
Your google doc is also very revelatory.
Ni-Se axis is pretty obvious there imo.
And the writing style itself is, well, very aphoristic and typically NiFe-ish.
Pretty close from mine in many ways, including the occasionnal abuse of quotation marks 
There is a lot in there to digest btw, and i will get back to it when i get the chance.
Thanks for making me google "Barzakh" too 
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Post by Roshan on Jan 26, 2021 14:00:17 GMT -5
I couldn't view the google doc before but now I can so I'm looking at it. All the more reason to agree with Vincenzo here. "F" in general too strong for inferior so not TiNe but Ti too strong for role, energetic cues not quite Se PolR and probably too young to have such developed fifth slot Fe, otherwise FiNe would be a serious contender.
btw NiTe is just absurd. An atypical NiTe knows what Te is better than anyone, the way it intrudes like an alien in relentless cascades...
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Post by anthony on Jan 26, 2021 22:00:27 GMT -5
And...
Your google doc is also very revelatory.
Ni-Se axis is pretty obvious there imo.
And the writing style itself is, well, very aphoristic and typically NiFe-ish.
Pretty close from mine in many ways, including the occasionnal abuse of quotation marks
There is a lot in there to digest btw, and i will get back to it when i get the chance.
Thanks for making me google "Barzakh" too
I noticed this too. In that doc, he's drilling down to singularities and fundamental elements of movies, technical ones, that ultimately generate a certain effect/impact. It was ALMOST TiSe-ish actually, but only because of the Ni and Ti. I'm very much with NiFe for Ahmed. |
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Post by ahmed on Jan 27, 2021 15:16:02 GMT -5
So, at this point, i'm leaning strongly toward NiFe. And specifically toward NiFe creative subtype.
The strength of the whole second row, including Fi 6th, is the reason why i initially thought you were FiNe, one year ago, and was still ready to buy that over TiNe now. How would a creative subtype's energy (and i guess movement too) towards the agenda be different from the normal configuration? |
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Post by ahmed on Jan 27, 2021 15:19:30 GMT -5
I couldn't view the google doc before but now I can so I'm looking at it. All the more reason to agree with Vincenzo here. "F" in general too strong for inferior so not TiNe but Ti too strong for role, energetic cues not quite Se PolR and probably too young to have such developed fifth slot Fe, otherwise FiNe would be a serious contender. btw NiTe is just absurd. An atypical NiTe knows what Te is better than anyone, the way it intrudes like an alien in relentless cascades... NiTe has been the most unlikely of them all, but even then...I have doubts over the assessment itself being correct from the bits I know about the signals. Or maybe I guess I do have "a snarly smile"  |
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Post by vincent on Jan 27, 2021 15:34:47 GMT -5
How would a creative subtype's energy (and i guess movement too) towards the agenda be different from the normal configuration?
Basically, creative subtype is less expedient with auxiliary than the normal configuration.
To the point it's ALMOST abolustely valued.
So there is quite a lot of balancing and calibrating between the two ends of the middle axis.
Agenda will still "win" in the end, the process will still come to its term, of course. But after more "negotation" with auxiliary, so to speak.
It also means that creative subtype doesn't necessarily use more auxiliary per se. But they are more both more ambitious AND more cautious about it that regular types. Sometimes to the point it's hard to distinguish them from their mirrors (NiFe creative subtype will sometimes get close from FeNi creative subtype), until we look at the polr.
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Post by vincent on Jan 27, 2021 15:37:20 GMT -5
NiTe has been the most unlikely of them all, but even then...I have doubts over the assessment itself being correct from the bits I know about the signals. Or maybe I guess I do have "a snarly smile"
I'm not sure i'm following you.
What assessment are you referring to ?
Your own assessment in your original post ? Our ( Roshan and i) assessment ? Auburn's people vultogical assessment and NiTe proposal ?
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Post by Roshan on Jan 27, 2021 15:48:47 GMT -5
vincent , Auburn thinks a snarly smile indicates high Fi. He thinks a relative lack of metabolizing of Fe causes a snarly crooked smile because we don't process and mirror the collective's feelings and expressions, so to say.
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