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Post by Roshan on Jan 23, 2021 0:12:08 GMT -5
I feel like I see SEVEN in this face! a 9/7 combo with an 8 wing on one of them? But also... Lana Del Rey Vibes? Which I suppose suggests 269a? Head is all but definitely 7, from everything I know of her--massive gluttony and no bones about it. I'm just not sure which 7 and where anymore. btw, I also found that photo (which didn't copy in the quote and I really have to complain about this to proboards) to have a strong One component, if we are assuming the stacking isn't sx last...
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Post by Roshan on Jan 23, 2021 0:36:06 GMT -5
I mean....from her "comeback"...can't help but wonder if she's an sp 2w1 with 7...I don't believe she can be actually 1 fixed if she follows the gypsy fairy queen at her age though...
I feel guilt, I feel guilt Though I know I've done no wrong, I feel guilt I feel guilt, I feel guilt Though I know I've done no wrong, I feel guilt I feel bad, so bad Though I ain't done nothing wrong, I feel bad I feel bad, so bad Though I ain't done nothing wrong, I feel bad I never lied to my lover But if I did I would admit it If I could get away with murder I'd take my gun and I'd commit it I never gave to the rich I never stole from the poor I'm like a curious child Give me more more, more, more, more, more, more I feel blood, I feel blood Though I feel it in my veins, it's not enough I feel blood, I feel blood Though it's streaming through my veins, it's not enough I never stole a scarf from Harrods But if I did you, wouldn't miss it I never stole a doll from Lovecraft But if I did you know I'd kiss it I never stole from the rich I never gave to the poor I'm like a curious child Just give me more, more, more, more, more, more, more, more, more I feel guilt, I feel guilt Though I know I've done no wrong I feel guilt I feel guilt, I feel guilt Though I ain't done nothing wrong I feel guilt (Guilt, guilt, guilt, guilt) (Guilt, guilt, guilt, guilt)
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Post by Roshan on Jan 23, 2021 0:39:58 GMT -5
It isn't even the guilt theme, it's just that...why after years of drug addiction and hard knocks is an impenitent glutton (which she certainly at least also is) singing about kissing an imaginary doll? Why like a curious child? Where's the jaded aspect of the 7 that's been through the ringer?
When I typed her a couple of years ago I remember thinking it was so strange how she spoke of just going along with everything everyone told her when she was discovered at that party, how little agency she truly seemed to feel she had on a very deep level...I'm just not so sure her comeback wasn't the triumph of Holy Will...I just can't shake the feeling...well I'll watch the complete documentary and try to figure it out...hopefully other people will too.
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Post by Roshan on Jan 23, 2021 1:00:50 GMT -5
This one I linked above is only two years old. So she was 72. What's her legacy? Is this really gluttony leading or is it Holy Freedom, a subtle chthonic triple positive triumph of the will?
And also it's just so...interpersomal.
The Gypsy Faerie Queen
Song by Marianne Faithfull
I'm known by many different names My good friend Will Calls me Puck and Robin Goodfellow I follow the gypsy faerie queen I follow the gypsy faerie queen She walks the length and breadth of England Singing her song, using her wand To help and heal the land And the creatures on it She's dressed in rags of moleskin And wears a crown of Rowan berries on her brow And I follow, follow, follow The gypsy faerie queen We exist, exist, exist In the twilight in-between She bears a blackthorn staff To help her in her walking I only listen to her sing But I never hear her talking Anymore Though once she did Though once she did And I follow, follow, follow My gypsy faerie queen We exist, exist, exist In the twilight in-between And I follow, follow, follow My gypsy faerie queen We exist, exist, exist In the country in-between Me and my gypsy queen
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Post by Roshan on Jan 23, 2021 1:11:59 GMT -5
Ah, now it copies...so, here she is at the Stones concert with her child...and going around preaching that marriage isn't groovy...okay, it seems she gave birth to the child after she and the husband were married for five months so that explains why she got married to begin with...but then to leave him to run to Jagger when she was famous in her own right...was it gluttonous or infantile? And once she was with Mick she was like his arm candy...until she became an addict and then that was that.
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Post by Roshan on Jan 23, 2021 1:37:34 GMT -5
Okay-- I've avoided most of the commentary so far to minimize influence, but I've looked at the votes and all the pictures. Sorry, I just saw this.Honestly, I probably would have guessed so/sp for that first picture. But as the other pictures come in, that doesn't feel right... Which leads me to wonder-- is this person 'international'/not from the USA? I've found I often get thrown by internationals because I'll feel the lens of their culture... she looks like she could be European? Anyway. It's possible that she's from an so/sp culture, and that's what I was picking up? Or I was just wrong Anyway, I shall join the throng and say sp/sx... or possibly sx/sp? I feel like I need to know the whole context and see more to decide. Too walled off for sx first in actual interviews and performance, and also too 'clean'. Which CAN be SP/sx.I'm going to tentatively say 7 for head fix 9 for gut and... 3 for heart? I could honestly almost say 2w1 or something, but as a child and even as an adult she feels exceptionally 'lose' and spilling for someone who isn't sp-last. I'm not sure how plausible it is for her to be contra and 2w1... But actually she isn't spilling at all. What about that first baby photo? She's like that most of the time in interviews.She just also has a certain wide open quality.
But I'm leaning towards image-first with a very sx-heavy tritype in structure.
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Post by Roshan on Jan 23, 2021 1:51:40 GMT -5
See, one of the problems with Marianne is you just have to chuck the older voice for typing purposes. So when I say she has 1 > 8, I mean...well things like this.
tbh I find myself wondering about the stacking myself now. Except that...the almost off-world vacancy I've found often present in her I feel is more suggestive of SP/sx ascetic range than any other stacking.
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Post by Roshan on Jan 23, 2021 2:06:19 GMT -5
Oh..btw...I forgot that she said something in an interview about how a lot of her heroin addiction was a desire to become smaller...This seems consistent with sp 2 (or 9) leading but not with 7. Though she did become anorexic too so idk, because that's its own condition but to say that about a drug addiction really doesn't sound 7 lead.
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Post by Roshan on Jan 23, 2021 2:20:00 GMT -5
Well, the first ONE minute of this which just jumped out at me is very Two lead-ish.
But this...is very Sevenish...perhaps the older Marianne has simply integrated One. idk. Also in this interview she says she wasn't manipulated and just had to be herself as a young star but when I looked into her previously I remember her saying she just did whatever they told her...I should keep better records, but...perhaps here the interviewer's use of the word 'manipulate' got her goat. Okay, doc time. I'll give people a chance to catch up. Anything else that seems important I'll write down on paper and put here in a couple of days.
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Post by vincent on Jan 23, 2021 12:24:46 GMT -5
Hmmfff
I'm not done with the materials yet and at this point i'm not positive of anything.
But SP/sx does seem right to me. Her sx seems to vary quite a lot from pictures to pictures. It has something fleeting. so to speak.
I agree that Oneish component is stronger than the eightish one. And also a lot more constant, even at a young age.
Which suggest it comes from the fixes and isn't just integration.
It could indeed be 2w1 lead with 7 second.
And that 2w1 could be 2w1(1w9).
Sure there is a LOT of unapologetic gluttony, a LOT of pics where she look far and above the horizon, a lot of Sevenishness and "vagabond ways" but... she doesn't really seem that head-centered to me and i don't see that much actual E-plan either.
But i'm not sure yet.
i will watch the doc soon and get back to her.
tbcd.
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Post by vincent on Jan 23, 2021 12:39:44 GMT -5
It isn't even the guilt theme, it's just that...w hy after years of drug addiction and hard knocks is an impenitent glutton (which she certainly at least also is) singing about kissing an imaginary doll? Why like a curious child? Where's the jaded aspect of the 7 that's been through the ringer? When I typed her a couple of years ago I remember thinking it was so strange how she spoke of just going along with everything everyone told her when she was discovered at that party, how little agency she truly seemed to feel she had on a very deep level...I'm just not so sure her comeback wasn't the triumph of Holy Will...
Right.
Even this gluttonous line is very interpersonal ultimately : "Just give me more, more, more, more, more, more, more, more, more"
Sure that's a lot of "more". But it comes from a "give me".
Pretty hard to disentangle 2 and 7 with this one...
tbcd.
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Post by Roshan on Jan 23, 2021 15:51:08 GMT -5
Seems in 2019 Marianne kindly provided us on her youtube channel with some possible typing insights via old school home video footage of her and her friends accompanying a new song.
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Post by vincent on Jan 23, 2021 16:00:23 GMT -5
I'm about half-way through the documentary
And i find myself still coming back and forth between 2 and 7.
I will have to rewatch it in better conditions and take notes.
But this popped on youtube. About her place.
At some point she says she "doesn't have a nostalgic bone in her body", then proceeds to show us the artefact of her personal museum. If it's not nostalgia then what is it ? Badges of honor and pride of place ?
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Post by Roshan on Jan 23, 2021 16:43:17 GMT -5
vincent , haven't watched yet but she said in another interview that people say if you remember the Sixties you weren't really there but that she remembers everything, everyone is jealous because they missed it, she did not, she was really there, it was unimaginably amazing...
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Post by jastyne on Jan 23, 2021 20:26:18 GMT -5
But also... Lana Del Rey Vibes? Which I suppose suggests 269a? Head is all but definitely 7, from everything I know of her--massive gluttony and no bones about it. I'm just not sure which 7 and where anymore. btw, I also found that photo (which didn't copy in the quote and I really have to complain about this to proboards) to have a strong One component, if we are assuming the stacking isn't sx last... Roshan I've actually been wondering if Lana couldn't actually be 279 herself lately, so this is particularly interesting
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