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Post by Roshan on Jan 22, 2021 23:03:26 GMT -5
To me she looks like a teenage housewife. Well, that's the thing... she was that too.
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Post by jastyne on Jan 22, 2021 23:04:09 GMT -5
I feel like I see SEVEN in this face! a 9/7 combo with an 8 wing on one of them? To me she looks like a teenage housewife. What is a teenage housewife? I don't think we have those in my culture...
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Post by jastyne on Jan 22, 2021 23:05:04 GMT -5
Oh, I was just able to confirm that this photo is of her. It was taken when she was sixteen by an aspiring young photographer. I feel like I see SEVEN in this face! a 9/7 combo with an 8 wing on one of them? But also... Lana Del Rey Vibes? Which I suppose suggests 269a?
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Post by Roshan on Jan 22, 2021 23:14:35 GMT -5
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Post by Roshan on Jan 22, 2021 23:15:27 GMT -5
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Post by Roshan on Jan 22, 2021 23:16:11 GMT -5
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Post by Roshan on Jan 22, 2021 23:21:54 GMT -5
I knew the hit As Tears Go By from when I was a kid but was really only familiar with her from her come back in the 80s as a sort of art cabaret underground star. Her voice was completely shot from years as a drug addict, very deep and gravelly, and I always assumed when I learned E. that she was a 7w8. But when I actually looked into her recently and saw what she was like when she was young, there was just no way.
So I typed her as sp/SX 7w6(8w7)-2w1(3w2)-9w1(1w2). But the other day after we did Rodeslav, I made a list of 7 leading triple positives and she did not fit. That's when I realized she must be SP/sx--assuming the 7 does lead--because she's hugely removed for a 7. I also realized how massively Oneish she is. Then I started thinking, what other tweaks (maybe not so small) might she need? And that's why I posted her for TTT.
As you can see in that old interview compilation video, as tempting as it is to give her so/SP, there is something really...chthonic, underworldy, to her, always was.
The impression of so/SP may be because she comes from an actual aristocratic family, went to like a convent school...
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Post by anthony on Jan 22, 2021 23:25:14 GMT -5
Wow 7w6(8w7) is super obvious here.
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Post by Roshan on Jan 22, 2021 23:29:01 GMT -5
Like I said, her voice was completely shot from years of drug addiction
That included literally living on the streets for a time.
That's not her voice. That's her using what she had left of her voice.
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Post by anthony on Jan 22, 2021 23:30:20 GMT -5
Yeah, as subdued as she appears in these younger interviews, she's still 'weaving tales'(end of the video) and you can hear the smiley insouciance in her voice.
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Post by Roshan on Jan 22, 2021 23:31:36 GMT -5
At this point I find her to be far more Oneish than Eightish.
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Post by Roshan on Jan 22, 2021 23:32:52 GMT -5
For instance this song...is it really "Eightish" or is it sx 2 at 8 with a lot of One vindictive retribution?
Why isn't it 7 way in Six with sx 2 and a LOT of One?
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Post by Roshan on Jan 22, 2021 23:34:53 GMT -5
And is 2w1 lead, even 2w1(1w9) out of the question?
Something Hillary-ish to the older Marianne if you watch her in interviews.
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Post by Roshan on Jan 22, 2021 23:41:07 GMT -5
Anyway I found this documentary but I've only watched the beginning so far. She's a particularly difficult typing because it's like there are two different people, the one before and the one after the drug addiction. The huge change in her voice doesn't help at all.
fwiw someone mentioned in a Reddit thread that in her autobiography (which I probably should read) she said she thought it would be cool to be a junky after reading Burroughs' Naked Lunch, which does suggest sp/sx 7 of some sort leads.
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Post by Roshan on Jan 22, 2021 23:51:10 GMT -5
The thing is, though, that she also seems (to me) to have had this 'doll-like' quality of helplessly but subtly malevolently standing there and waiting when she was younger iykwim...and luring people in...and when she started going downhill she seemed to expect to be helped...but she wasn't...
"As Tears Go By" was written for her by Jagger and Richards (by order of the manager but still... ). Before Jagger was involved with her. Clearly, she evoked in them the sense of 'sitting and waiting' too...which...I mean I understand she most likely has this odd SP/sx stacking, but still, why write As Tears Go By for a triple positive 7, especially one with an 8 component?
In particular when you're Jagger and Richards and you could write pretty much anything but.
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