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Post by vincent on Feb 17, 2021 13:11:35 GMT -5
The consequence of this is that most people develop their 8th in a quite narrow, limited (and often rigid) way, without much mastery, stamina and consistency.
For this reason, 8th users will be prone to overwhelm when they are forced out of their comfort zone to brutally or for too long. I saw that a lot with Sylvia, who would become completely depleted by channeling Ni with me. (I on the other hand would periodically snap over the categorization. I also see this with anthony Fi very clearly. Right. In my case, that Si 8th overhelm often manifests itself in a very physical and visceral way. I tend to get tenser and tenser, then nauseous. This is one of the reason business and super-ego relationships need some kind of distance and rythm. We need both space and time to work well with people who have our 8th as their frame
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Post by vincent on Feb 17, 2021 13:34:09 GMT -5
That being said. 8th is still an absolute value slot. it really does matter for us and we usually feel a duty to "get it right". To the point that lots of people actually get jobs and careers that heavily involve their 8th.
Ugh, yeah, don't remind me. I have slavishly paid dues to Si professions, flagellation and all. Right... Si is indeed a pretty heavy function to have as a role function. In part because Si already has something to do with role, intrinsically. And the thing is, NiTe certainly has it worse than NiFe, because of the agenda difference. The paradox of 8th is that we "lack" a lot of it, and we are very aware that we lack some it. But we also know that the Socion and the World lacks it even more, and we make it our role to preserve what is truly essential in that function. Yes. Ugh. Groan. Why me?
Well, role is the price we pay for our frame. Or at least it's one way to look at it. And if you want to know what is truly essential about a function, do not ask dominants, or even agenda users.
Ask healthy role users. They will often know that better than anyone else.
(Si is the perception or conferring of a membrane, limit, or boundary; the rendering of that which is intact, thus to be preserved. Si is thus also 'integrity'.)
Yes indeed. I absolutely agree with this.
And i would suggest anyone who want to dig deeper on this to look here It's also no coincidence if our type the beast series turned out to be a LOT about (sick) shadow Si.
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Post by Roshan on Feb 17, 2021 19:48:48 GMT -5
"Si is indeed a pretty heavy function to have as a role function. In part because Si already has something to do with role, intrinsically." And because Ni wants to be completely free in eternity. That was a big part, though by no means all, of Marsha's problem with graduating. The limiting weight of the exigencies of Si.
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Post by vincent on Feb 18, 2021 17:31:35 GMT -5
And because Ni wants to be completely free in eternity. That was a big part, though by no means all, of Marsha's problem with graduating. The limiting weight of the exigencies of Si.
Yes indeed. Absolutely.
Si is a very incarnate role for a "disincarnate" frame.
This also resonates with what you said here about the wordliness of the Cathari.
(btw... i just realized that Sema, in Plato's "Soma Sema", has more meanings that just "tomb". It also means "sign"...)
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Post by Roshan on Feb 18, 2021 19:14:22 GMT -5
This also resonates with what you said here about the wordliness of the Cathari.
(btw... i just realized that Sema, in Plato's "Soma Sema", has more meanings that just "tomb". It also means "sign"...)
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