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Post by Roshan on Jul 13, 2020 12:13:06 GMT -5
Perhaps the better word than he is 'far far more unaffected' is 'far far more detached'. Actually in some sense 9w1 can be more 'unaffected' than 1w9. The 9w1 attachment attaches selectively, then what it deselects it sort of somehow 'murders' (ignores it, projects it out, etc.). In that way it maintains the dig-in-heels separateness. While the 1 fix (especially sp 1) can be quite 'affected' (it gets obsessive, must do something, it's so worried... ). But it does so about 'that concrete thing over there' that it is detached from. Styx is 'far far more detached', i.e. unattached.
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Amy
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Post by Amy on Jul 13, 2020 12:18:31 GMT -5
From the first video :
I get a TiSe impression again. Ti frame (with Fe inf) reacting to the ambient irrationality and "panic" with an analysis of the Se field.
His reference to History seems pretty demonstrative to me. And he does seem to be delineating what will or won't collapse, what can or can't collapse, which is consistent with Ni tertiary imo. And his confidence that collapse is not an option is consistent with Ne polr imo.
Regarding the E-type, the arguments for sp/so 793 are convincing indeed. And i regret i saw them before the videos. It certainly affects my impressions.
For now, i must say i don't find him particularly superficial, in the way i would expect a 7 lead to be.
tbcd.
So far I agree with TiSe, an over analyzer who calls out when everyone else is pushing too hard with no where to go. I'm considering that he's a Te user, but TiSe is pragmatic in its own way as well, and my impression right now is that that frame is more likely. I'm not sure about E-type right now either, but a 7 lead Ne PoLR sounds like its own thing to watch. I agree with Robin on him being truly realistic, but I'm not familiar enough with sp 7 right now to catch that as being 7, though I do see how he differs from type 6 'catastrophe prepping'.
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Post by Roshan on Jul 13, 2020 13:04:32 GMT -5
Well, sp 7 is a 'wheeler dealer', Amy , one that uses people as 'supplies' for its stimulation and advancement and tends to do so very effectively. So I call it "Business is pleasure and pleasure is business". Examples are Steve Jobs, Ben Shapiro and on the 8 wing Sam Vaknin. The thing is that's not really quite what Styx is doing. If you watch pretty much any Shapiro or Vaknin video, you'll see that the the audience is included in their world of the moment, it's like a constant subtle seduction is always going on. Anyone can join the party, door is always open...what will you bring?, it's pot luck...While both Shapiro and Vaknin give verbose, rambly 'treatises' (7 to 5), there is never the sense that they're 'just' effectively presenting. Which is the impression Styx gives: I worked on this, I thought about it, here it is, finished product. These are my thoughts. There is no call for anyone to join in; Styx remains personally inscrutable, untouchable. With Jobs the door is always open came with the Cult of Apple with Jobs the perennial Host. In fact RH call 7w6 the Host. Adding to that, they call 7w8 the Realist. It's really 7w8 that's so practical archetypally (and ftr I was quoting former business parter saying how practical/realistic sp 7 is). 7w6 itself can be very 'airy fairy' and dreamy, but yes, sp first will yield a conniving, group-conscious practicality. sp 7 is a networker, it's Threeish. "You never know who you might meet". The thing is Styx doesn't really have that. I never get the sense that Styx is 'inviting me in'. He's informing me, period. Making his case. Autonomous and aloof.
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Styx
Jul 13, 2020 15:14:29 GMT -5
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Post by Roshan on Jul 13, 2020 15:14:29 GMT -5
Oh, Amy , another sp 7 is Nancy Pelosi. She wheeled and dealed her way through volunteer fundraising for the Democrats as the wife of a wealthy businessman to a volunteer political position all the way to speaker of the House. And never shuts up. She never held actual political office until she was 50 but schmoozed her way through the cocktail party circuit, reshaping "The Party" through who she got to donate. She truly exemplifies Business Is Pleasure And Pleasure Is Business sp 7 and she seems to expect us all to stay with "The Party" because she's the life of it. The thing is I have Jobs, Shapiro and Vaknin as all having 3 fix and 1 fix, and Nancy with 2 and 9. But Nancy still fits in with those people (though admittedly I do have her with double 1 wing). Styx doesn't. Like it's very easy (for me) to imagine the other four going out for cocktails together and having a wonderful time angling to see what they get out of it while all despising each other; but Styx I can't see in that cocktail party. Precisely because he doesn't really seem to want anything. Seems 5 'minimizing needs'...
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Post by vincent on Jul 13, 2020 15:41:25 GMT -5
Well vincent , I have just been going around lately assuming he is a 5 and forgetting I had pegged him as 7. If I think about it, I have (probably) been assuming he's a so/sp 5w6(6w7) with 3w4 and 1w9. That makes him very close--but in some ways very far--from Gavin McIness (so/sp 5w6[6w7]-3w2[4w3]- 8w7[7w6]). Which actually makes sense. He is kind of like the "Poindexter" Vulcan brains of the operation, the "Tuvak" to McIness' "Captain Kirk/Whoever" on right wing punk chic spaceship Enterprise. I certainly don't have a problem with triple competency for Styx. One might say, what is he doing though? Well...he is doing commentary. Very successfully. Making money, more than treading water, staying 'out of trouble' with the censors while maintaining his 'bite'...it's no small feat. Yes i agree. If 5 is leading, his gut gonna be 1w9. I don't see any obvious hint of sloth btw. And on the other hand, he makes the distinction between Agape and romantic love at least 3 times in the 2nd video.
I'm not sure of his stacking yet.
I'm leaning toward sp/SO for now, considering the Vulcan fixes.
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Jul 13, 2020 15:44:56 GMT -5
Post by vincent on Jul 13, 2020 15:44:56 GMT -5
Well, sp 7 is a 'wheeler dealer', Amy , one that uses people as 'supplies' for its stimulation and advancement and tends to do so very effectively. So I call it "Business is pleasure and pleasure is business". Examples are Steve Jobs, Ben Shapiro and on the 8 wing Sam Vaknin. The thing is that's not really quite what Styx is doing. If you watch pretty much any Shapiro or Vaknin video, you'll see that the the audience is included in their world of the moment, it's like a constant subtle seduction is always going on. Anyone can join the party, door is always open...what will you bring?, it's pot luck...While both Shapiro and Vaknin give verbose, rambly 'treatises' (7 to 5), there is never the sense that they're 'just' effectively presenting. Which is the impression Styx gives: I worked on this, I thought about it, here it is, finished product. These are my thoughts. There is no call for anyone to join in; Styx remains personally inscrutable, untouchable. With Jobs the door is always open came with the Cult of Apple with Jobs the perennial Host. In fact RH call 7w6 the Host. Adding to that, they call 7w8 the Realist. It's really 7w8 that's so practical archetypally (and ftr I was quoting former business parter saying how practical/realistic sp 7 is). 7w6 itself can be very 'airy fairy' and dreamy, but yes, sp first will yield a conniving, group-conscious practicality. sp 7 is a networker, it's Threeish. "You never know who you might meet". The thing is Styx doesn't really have that. I never get the sense that Styx is 'inviting me in'. He's informing me, period. Making his case. Autonomous and aloof.
Right. And actually, he doesn't hesitate to rebuke a part of his audience. "People message me about love spells... that's bullshit".
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Post by Roshan on Jul 13, 2020 15:48:02 GMT -5
Watching the third video now.
He does seem so/sp here indeed.
He is making himself the prophet of Poetic Justice in a way.
And he loves it. Oops, missed this. Yes, I do follow him regularly and have been going around thinking he's so/sp 5w6. It just seems a teensy bit much with also 1w9 and 3w4 but on the other hand... is he not preternaturally Spockish? Who is more so than he? Don't really see all that much difference between having been a practicing warlock and playing 'takto' and doing Vulcan mind melds...
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Styx
Jul 13, 2020 15:52:18 GMT -5
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Post by vincent on Jul 13, 2020 15:52:18 GMT -5
Watching the third video now.
He does seem so/sp here indeed.
He is making himself the prophet of Poetic Justice in a way.
And he loves it. Oops, missed this. Yes, I do follow him regularly and have been going around thinking he's so/sp 5w6. It just seems a teensy bit much with also 1w9 and 3w4 but on the other hand... is he not preternaturally Spockish? Who is more so than he? Don't really see all that much difference between having been a practicing warlock and playing 'takto' and doing Vulcan mind melds...
That's what i was wondering, how would a so/sp 5w6 3w4 1w9 looks like ? And i remembered that we might already have one to compare with :
going to rewatch this one now
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Post by Roshan on Jul 13, 2020 15:59:09 GMT -5
I'm not sure of his stacking yet.
I'm leaning toward sp/SO for now, considering the Vulcan fixes.
Well, see, ay, there's the rub, as The Bard would say. I don't know if Spock and Tuvak are so/SP or sp/SO! And this unleashed 'thought pathogen' (malaria-carrying mosquito musketeer) buzzes past and bites me from time to time... This is where type/stack-i.v. correlations become useful and I pat myself on the back for finally having finished the work David Gray started and fucked up. sp correlates to Five. Minimizing needs (sexual and social) for the 'essence of survival' itself. So... by being UNinvolved in the 'operations' of our "starship Enterprise", unlike Tuvak and Spock, is that being MORE or LESS 'in the flow'? See the conundrum? (it's just a funny conundrum... )
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Post by Roshan on Jul 13, 2020 16:05:22 GMT -5
This guy Amy . He's in a section under construction.
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Post by vincent on Jul 13, 2020 16:09:06 GMT -5
Hmm That kid (who also use a cryptic pseudonym) might very well be TiSe too.
There is certainly a lot of similarity between them but ... i can't imagine Styx looking for a solution to end all conflicts at global scale.
My money is still on sp/SO for him.
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Jul 13, 2020 16:10:15 GMT -5
Post by Roshan on Jul 13, 2020 16:10:15 GMT -5
This could be a huge rabbit hole/cluster fuck vincent ....just sayin'...
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Post by Roshan on Jul 13, 2020 16:12:21 GMT -5
Hmm That kid (who also use a cryptic pseudonym) might very well be TiSe too.
There is certainly a lot of similarity between them but ... i can't imagine Styx looking for a solution to end all conflicts at global scale.
My money is still on sp/SO for him.
Posts crossed. Well-spotted. That's why you're still the thinker and I'm still the bimbo like Marilyn.
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Styx
Jul 13, 2020 16:13:11 GMT -5
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Post by vincent on Jul 13, 2020 16:13:11 GMT -5
Yes, it could very well mean being more in the flow.
I don't know...
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Styx
Jul 13, 2020 16:15:52 GMT -5
Post by vincent on Jul 13, 2020 16:15:52 GMT -5
This guy Amy . He's in a section under construction. Sorry, i forgot about that
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