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Post by Roshan on Dec 15, 2020 16:30:04 GMT -5
He's not SeTi vincent. He's not using any kind of 'cool logic' at all to plant his flag. He's Te >>> Ti. |
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Post by vincent on Dec 15, 2020 16:31:26 GMT -5
Might he be a folksy kind of SeFi or...something?  I mean thinking about it, it's hard to see his Se as 'agenda' rather than 'just there' vincent .
Yeah, i agree. Se agenda doesn't seem to work.
Even in a jumper configuration. Which i considered too.
The thing is, i'm barely happier with Ti polr than with Fi polr for him.
So i don't know...
Maybe it's FeNi after all.
with "found Ti" and strong Te role.
which would kind of makes sense for an Eight with integrated 5.
I'll have to watch more with a fresher brain.
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Post by Roshan on Dec 15, 2020 16:33:53 GMT -5
But the thing is, he understands very well people who do. He understands that narcissists use logic to gain power and that all they want to do is 'win'. But he doesn't use it. He appeals by almost any means but the internal sinews of sense-making, of constructing a cohesive internal world view. It's all about conviction and implementation (Te and plenty of Fi, both F have to be abolute value and/or upper three slots).
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Post by Roshan on Dec 15, 2020 16:35:34 GMT -5
Or...yeah well, the thing is in someone that healthy it could also be Fi fifth unignored. But...Se agenda?
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Post by vincent on Dec 15, 2020 16:40:49 GMT -5
But the thing is, he understands very well people who do. He understands that narcissists use logic to gain power and that all they want to do is 'win'. But he doesn't use it. He appeals by almost any means but the internal sinews of sense-making, of constructing a cohesive internal world view. It's all about conviction and implementation (Te and plenty of Fi, both F have to be abolute value and/or upper three slots).
Yes.
It's either Fi aux with demonstrative Fe.
Or Fe frame with un-ignored Fi.
I agree.
And the thing is, at his health level, the demonstrative won't feel "weaponized", and the agenda will be "delineated" to use it well/for good.
And of course... the polr won't be obvious.
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Post by Roshan on Dec 15, 2020 16:52:40 GMT -5
The thing is, i'm barely happier with Ti polr than with Fi polr for him.
I'll have to watch more with a fresher brain.
idk. He's so 'meat and potatoes' about things. Bare basics. Maybe he understands Ti similar to how I understand Fe, and that's why he hyperfocuses on it as the means through which narcissists use it to gain control. Because actually not all narcissists are working through things that logically, it's just that their actions contain an inner logic. What he does do is describe very well how one SeTi who must be in control and dehumanizes people to do so operates. But in a way he also over-attributes the conscious use of Ti to 'all narcissists'. Which could indicate that it's PolR...maybe? Okay, watch with fresher brain. |
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Post by vincent on Dec 15, 2020 17:05:20 GMT -5
I just watched the third video.
And at this point, i think SeFi is right indeed.
Te agenda makes more sense than Te role. I mean, i guess at this level of health Te role could devise this kind of step by step method too.
But i'm not sure Te role would walk us through it in this way.
And i don't think i would feel this kind of quasi-supervision from Te role either.
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Post by vincent on Dec 15, 2020 17:10:14 GMT -5
idk. He's so 'meat and potatoes' about things. Bare basics. Maybe he understands Ti similar to how I understand Fe, and that's why he hyperfocuses on it as the means through which narcissists use it to gain control. Because actually not all narcissists are working through things that logically, it's just that their actions contain an inner logic. What he does do is describe very well how one SeTi who must be in control and dehumanizes people to do so operates. But in a way he also over-attributes the conscious use of Ti to 'all narcissists'. Which could indicate that it's PolR...maybe? Okay, watch with fresher brain.
Yes indeed.
I think that makes a lot of sense.
This could be an example of the "canary in the coal mine" effect. Warning us about the evil of Ti, and the Ti of Evil. In Te terms.
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Post by Roshan on Dec 15, 2020 17:29:15 GMT -5
Well, in that case, at his health level his Se will have been subdued and infused with Si--or perhaps better said, he has achieved organic continuity of S. Then accessing the (heretofore) shadow functions he would be acting kind of as both my dual and my superego, and that would be what makes me feel 'supervised'--completing me while also critiquing me.. vincent |
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Post by Roshan on Dec 15, 2020 17:33:53 GMT -5
He'll be similar to Peterson, a TeNi who is kind of also a TiNe. I mean, he really does get into 'peace' as an ultimate good a lot for an 8. There is a lot that is SiFe-ish (and Ninish) to his message and intermittently to his demeanor.
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Post by Roshan on Dec 15, 2020 17:38:55 GMT -5
I just watched the third video.
And at this point, i think SeFi is right indeed.
Te agenda makes more sense than Te role. I mean, i guess at this level of health Te role could devise this kind of step by step method too.
But i'm not sure Te role would walk us through it in this way.
And i don't think i would feel this kind of quasi-supervision from Te role either.
Oh, sorry, just saw this. I'm glad you agree. I feel this is the right ct. |
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Post by Roshan on Dec 15, 2020 17:39:56 GMT -5
Of course, still open to other opinions tho.
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Post by vincent on Dec 15, 2020 17:41:45 GMT -5
Yes, he get quite SiFe-ish at times.
Probably why it quickly seemed impossible to me that he would be Si polr.
And yes, that would be healthy shadow integration indeed.
I agree.
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Post by Roshan on Dec 24, 2020 15:18:23 GMT -5
This female Eight. I mean, seriously.... wiki article on Eleanor Rathbone, MP. She is known as a sufragette, early feminist, social welfare advocate (especially for children and families), and for having been maybe the earliest loudest voice in Parliament against 'appeasement' and foreteller of the consequences of Hitler's militarism and anti-Semitism. |
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Post by Roshan on Dec 24, 2020 15:30:03 GMT -5
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