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Post by Roshan on Nov 1, 2019 9:46:22 GMT -5
Note 7/8/2020: This thread begins as a consolidation of the thread Type 8 Prosperity Gospel Preachers and posts from the thread Rudyard Kipling/The Man Who Would be King. enneaforum.freeforums.net/post/7507/thread Kipling was probably a One and the John Huston film version of his story The Man Who Would Be King contrasts a character that is an 8 with a 7w8. Posts related to Huston (an 8), his early pick for the film, Bogart (an Eightish 6) and Bogart's wife Bacall, a 7w8, are now here. Bogart and Bacall being identified as 8s by RH led to a long look at the RH 8 list, now also here. The main purpose of this thread is now to refine the ability to distinguish core Eights from people that just have an Eight component, have moved to Eight, and/or are just somehow "Eightish".
Naranjo rather foolishly ascribed "evil" to E8 in The Enneagram and Society. Obviously he ignored health level, the movemement of other types TO low 8 (and of Eights away from it), and the potential for "evil" in the archetypal energies of other types. Nonetheless it is true that archetypal E8 disintegrates into sociopathy and I found it interesting when this video popped up in my youtube feed (don't usually watch liberal MSM comedians anymore) that almost all the Prosperity Gospel preachers in the first seven minutes appear to be core Eights and the ones that don't have an ultra-heavy 8 component.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2020 14:40:37 GMT -5
Bill O'Reilly is an 8, I think? And he is considered 'far right' 'evil' by the left. Whereas the right has different sentiments toward him. I forgot the details of the story if I ever knew them, but for some reason he isn't on fox news anymore. Maybe they were trying to be more moderate or something. I forgot. But anyway, he was a hard-line type, never compromising. He had a reputation for bringing guests on to the show who disagreed with him and steamrolling them on the air, iirc. Point being he also pushed an ideology quite hard.
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Post by Roshan on Jun 4, 2020 7:55:55 GMT -5
(EDIT: This post and seven below it were moved from the thread on Rudyard Kipling and "The Man Who Would Be King").
Not to digress--this is I guess going to be about those who would be kings-- but the roles (in TMWWBK) were intended for Gable (an 8) and Bogart (an Eightish 6w5 mistyped as 8 by EI, along with Bogart's wife Bacall, a 7w8, here with him in this interview. Clint Eastwood, a 6w5 fixed 9w8, and others were also misidentified as 8s by EI...)
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Post by Roshan on Jun 4, 2020 8:08:46 GMT -5
So here's the the current EI page on E8. Quickly and cursorily ( pink no, green idk because I don't know them enough, blue I'm just not sure yet.) E xamples: G.I. Gurdjieff, Richard Wagner, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Winston Churchill, Oskar Schindler, Fidel Castro, Martin Luther King, Jr., Lyndon Johnson, Mikhail Gorbachev, Golda Meir, Indira Gandhi idk, Saddam Hussein, Senator John McCain, Donald Trump, Pablo Picasso, Ernest Hemingway, Norman Mailer, Toni Morrison, Serena Williams idk, James Brown, Aretha Franklin idk could be 9w8, Keith Richards 7w8(6w5), Queen Latifah idk, Courtney Love, Jack Black who?, Chrissie Hynde no way, I have her 7 with 1 fix, Condon has her as 1, and one of us is definitely right, Pink, John Wayne, Frank Sinatra, Humphrey Bogart 8-fixed 6w5, Lauren Bacall 7w8, Bette Davis, Mae West, Sean Connery, Paul Newman i doubt it, maybe 3, Clint Eastwood 6w5 fixed 9w8, Tommy Lee Jones idk, Jack Nicholson probably 7w8(8w7), Susan Sarandon idk, Russell Crowe idk, Sean Penn, Harvey Keitel, Matt Damon, Alec Baldwin idk, Roseanne Barr, Barbara Walters 258, Rosie O’Donnell, “Dr. Phil” McGraw, “Tony Soprano".
Well, good. That'll keep me out of trouble. Idle minds make idle hands. Thank you, Rudyard, for keeping me on the straight and narrow.
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Post by Roshan on Jun 4, 2020 10:55:18 GMT -5
vincent I'll clean up this thread, divide it and make links, later. (EDIT 7/8: making good on my promise). But for now: John Huston is definitely an 8; that was obvious just looking at the photo in the analysis video (of TMWWBK), and he didn't disappoint. But Bogart's actually an obvious 6. You can tell in that interview he's fear-based by his eyes and also he talks about things like giving up the stage because, implicitly, it's too risky and he doesn't want to face big challenges. tbh if not 6 he'd seem 9w8(8w7) not 8, and that might be his gut anyway. Bacall is a 7w8(6w7); she's not even a 7 fully in the gut triad; you can see she's very self-conscious and has a lot of 'head anxiety'. She's something very close to sx/sp 7w8(6w7)-1w9(2w1)-3w4(2w3). She seems like she'd be image second but she has no organic ability to communicate image; she even tells how she would pose, and she still is. Her 'image' is coming largely from her stacking--sx/sp Mesmerizer (most seductive of all stackings). Pleasant surprise: Bogart talks in the interview about how he's making TMWWBK with Huston! (I wonder why it fell through. He seems to have a lot of trepidation about going to a remote part of India though... ). The current lists on EI will have been curated and modified by Russ. It's not surprising--as an so/sx 5w4-2w3-9w8, with the heart and gut glaringly obvious, who self-types with a 4 and 8 fix, and thought he was sx first until Luckovich (I'm told) convinced him otherwise--that he's off on so many Eights.
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Post by Roshan on Jun 20, 2020 11:59:07 GMT -5
So here's the the current EI page on E8. Quickly and cursorily ( pink no, green idk because I don't know them enough, blue I'm just not sure yet.) E xamples: G.I. Gurdjieff, Richard Wagner, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Winston Churchill, Oskar Schindler, Fidel Castro, Martin Luther King, Jr., Lyndon Johnson, Mikhail Gorbachev, Golda Meir, Indira Gandhi idk, Saddam Hussein, Senator John McCain, Donald Trump, Pablo Picasso, Ernest Hemingway, Norman Mailer, Toni Morrison, Serena Williams idk probably 2w1, James Brown, Aretha Franklin idk could be 9w8, Keith Richards 7w8(6w5), Queen Latifah idk, Courtney Love, Jack Black who?, Chrissie Hynde no way, I have her 7 with 1 fix, Condon has her as 1, and one of us is definitely right, Pink, John Wayne, Frank Sinatra, Humphrey Bogart 8-fixed 6w5, Lauren Bacall 7w8, Bette Davis, Mae West, Sean Connery, Paul Newman i doubt it, maybe 3, Clint Eastwood 6w5 fixed 9w8, Tommy Lee Jones idk, Jack Nicholson probably 7w8(8w7), Susan Sarandon idk, Russell Crowe idk, Sean Penn, Harvey Keitel, Matt Damon sp/sx 396, Alec Baldwin idk, Roseanne Barr, Barbara Walters 258, Rosie O’Donnell, “Dr. Phil” McGraw, “Tony Soprano".
Well, good. That'll keep me out of trouble. Idle minds make idle hands. Thank you, Rudyard, for keeping me on the straight and narrow. Aretha 9w8.
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Post by Roshan on Jun 20, 2020 12:36:24 GMT -5
Tommy Lee Jones, yes, 8.
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Post by Roshan on Jun 20, 2020 12:50:22 GMT -5
Harvey Keitel yes, sp/sx 8.
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Post by Roshan on Jun 20, 2020 13:07:53 GMT -5
Matt Damon sp/sx 396, all extroverting wings.
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Post by Roshan on Jun 20, 2020 13:54:09 GMT -5
Serena Williams seems to be a 'proud to be humble' 2w1.
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Post by Roshan on Jun 20, 2020 14:41:33 GMT -5
There are just a few left I'll have to look at again. Indira Gandhi is most interesting by far. She was called "The Iron Lady" and took, though not at first, bold and sometimes cruel or rash actions that finally got her assassinated. But her upbringing as Nehru's daughter and assistant when he was pm has to be taken into account. She seems to me to be something like so/sp 9w1(1w2)-6w5(5w4)-4w3(3w2). Then the "Eightness" in her actions would be coming from stacking, 6w5 Trapper, and the fiercely competitive sx 4. Would like to look into her in depth at some point.
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Post by Roshan on Jun 20, 2020 14:52:26 GMT -5
Young Indira Gandhi with the Dali Lama. (There's plenty of interviews. She's almost always very 'prim').
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Post by vincent on Jun 20, 2020 16:46:08 GMT -5
At (very) first glance, i agree with all of these typings (yours, i mean). Will watch the full videos soon.
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Post by Roshan on Jul 8, 2020 10:32:25 GMT -5
As with the Prosperity Gospel Preachers in the OP of this thread, I was struck by how obviously core 8 many of the characters--both in historical archives and in their modern renderings--appear in the docudrama below. They are judges, politicians and newspapermen of the deep South and its due North at the time the age of the Robber Barons was about to meld via World War I into full-fledged modernity.
I feel the more electronic and abstracted modernity becomes, the more an 'image' of 'being' substitutes for power in the public eye (now Panopticon), the less likely you will be to encounter 8s there. Real power, real challenge, lies behind the veil. Especially behind the 'liberal veil'. But the Prosperity Gospel Preachers are really carving their own turf and they know damn well what they're doing is borderline illegal, so this is one place it seems (to me) they do abound in the public eye now. You also have the Trumps and Bannons emerging to oppose this dilution of 'Being'.
But I suspect the political 8s these days are more likely to be found among the 'donors' we rarely see that politicians are accountable to than the politicians themselves. And the fortunes of those donors are more likely to be made in, say, the mining of the rare metals needed to make the devices we use than in their conspicuous. Gates, Jobs, Bezos, Zuckerberg, Thiel, Musk, the Silicon Valley celebrities, I've not even called an actual 8 fix yet.
In any case I'm posting a docudrama about Leo Frank. I recently learned about Frank from the philo-anti-Semite. The overriding 'expert' consensus on Frank now is that he was wrongly charged; the overriding consensus of the (mostly) unvetted Internet commentariat is that forces imposing this consensus are behind the veil (which the philo-anti-Semite calls "Jewish power"). A virtual cottage opinion industry emerged on the centennial of Frank's lynching that I looked into because like Alice I heard "Drink me". This docudrama is itself decried for all kinds of omissions and falsifications, which of course seem credible and then are challenged...it is denounced as propaganda while those whose high school teachers told them to watch it weep and are derided.
We Bokononists say "Busy busy busy". What has really stood out to me is how much more 8 the visible movers and shakers were in those days.
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Post by vincent on Jul 8, 2020 12:49:32 GMT -5
Right. That makes sense indeed.
I will watch the docudrama soon.
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