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Post by Roshan on Jun 2, 2021 9:40:40 GMT -5
I would guess so/SX for him. He seems more social first younger but by the time we get to him later he's all dewey-eyed and crystalline. So I'm thinking so/SX moved to sx/sp, and I think this is part of why he first seemed to me from interviews like a McCartney style 3.
Looking now at the wallpaper in the OP interview (yes, on the walls), soft sx/so seems pretty much out. That is very very syn flow home decor and it is also not as low sp as a base stack sx/so, regardless of movement of the stack with age. And sx/sp young he did not seem at all.
All this is not to say he didn't seem very very syn flow to begin with, just that I still tend to find myself wondering with certain people: is this what Naranjo meant by sx 9 'Nobody'? But I'm coming to conclude Naranjo was just really off about sx 9 'Nobody'.
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Post by Roshan on Jun 2, 2021 9:50:24 GMT -5
I think the 'nobody problem' can come up with any 9. The feeling of not being seen, not being present, somehow not existing (btw that was also Peterson's 6 and 3 to 9 "I don't exist behind the mask" disintegration).
I just found this video and it seems like if a 3 were to get to this stage of 'resigned fatalism', they would not be able to get out of bed in the morning.
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Post by Roshan on Jun 2, 2021 9:52:30 GMT -5
Here's another interview.
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Post by Roshan on Jun 2, 2021 10:08:08 GMT -5
I'm not even sure now what was so compellingly 3ish to me about him at first (beyond resemblance to McCartney). I think it has to do with the millieu he was in, which rubbed off on him, and I just picked up on it. For instance it turned out that Roger Greenaway, who's at the end of the video just above, co-wrote this song with another member of Tony's 'incestuous' music circle. Culturally, the Tony Burrows millieu was '3'. It spawned 3, produced 3, profited from 3, and made us 3. But 3 is an iteration of 9.
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Post by Roshan on Jun 2, 2021 10:11:13 GMT -5
So this ain't nothing, people. There's a reason for this thread. Interestingly, the girl at the end starting 0'46" in The Footage That Inaugurated The Globalization Only We Didn't Know It Yet looks very much like Janis Joplin (that sx/so 4 or 8 ) minus the drugs. She died in '70. The commercial was '71. Fifty years later the world really sang in perfect harmony.
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Post by vincent on Jun 2, 2021 12:36:03 GMT -5
Also, if there had been a full consensus that Burrows is a 9, I probably would have just figured my first impression was wrong. (At least for now, no guarantee it wouldn't have come back later to nag me). That wouldn't have made Burrows' similarities with the 3w2 ur-exemplar McCartney and his stacking/complete typing irrelevant, but as things stand, I really need to hear from the dissenting vote. What kind of 3, Amy , and why? And for the others, again, what kind of 9?
Oh no ! That 3 vote wasn't Amy's, it was mine !
That was my very first "vibe" impression. Then i saw the consensus for 9 building up and it made it pretty hard for me to be sure i was actually seeing 3, or just stubbornly and contrarianishly sticking with that first impression.
The thing is, 9w1 lead didn't seem quite right to me. And i found him too "clean", polished, not quite gutty enough for 9w8 lead.
Also, something in his voice and the way he is sitting reminded me a bit of ... Naranjo. So i wondered if he could be some kind of sp 3. Tricking us into believing that those successes just "happened", as some kind of "vanity of no vanity".
I mean, i started to suspect the nine-ish "nonchalance" was part of the act, so to speak.
I wasn't sure at all about that stacking though.
In the end i went for 3 over 9 because i felt he was heart first.
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Post by Roshan on Jun 2, 2021 12:42:40 GMT -5
Oh... Sorry Amy!!! I honestly have no idea how that confusion could've happened. I was sure because I was sure ykwim? Anyway...so vincent do you still think he's 3 lead? As I said (or implied) I was thinking he was a soft-style sx/so 3w2 like I assume McCartney to be, only triple attached. I also said (or implied) later that the way he comes schlumping onto the stage in later life seems like if he were 3 lead he'd maybe be dead by now?
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Post by Roshan on Jun 2, 2021 12:45:19 GMT -5
Also, if there had been a full con
So i wondered if he could be some kind of sp 3.
This is the other thing. Watching the second older interview I just posted made me wonder about sp/SO too.
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Post by Roshan on Jun 2, 2021 12:45:37 GMT -5
That wallpaper...
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Post by vincent on Jun 2, 2021 12:55:42 GMT -5
Oh... Sorry Amy !!! I honestly have no idea how that confusion could've happened. I was sure because I was sure ykwim? Anyway...so vincent do you still think he's 3 lead?
Well, at this point, i still think he is tricky. If not tricking us.
Yes, that sounds right to me. Soft style sx/so seems unlikely. Maybe he would be dead by now indeed. Or maybe you would have found him earlier.
He does seem triple attached to me too.
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Post by vincent on Jun 2, 2021 13:00:41 GMT -5
This is the other thing. Watching the second older interview I just posted made me wonder about sp/SO too.
My issue with it, of course, was that he seems higher sx than that, especially on stage. But so does Tori Amos behind a piano...
I will rewatch too.
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Post by Roshan on Jun 2, 2021 13:02:18 GMT -5
Yes, that sounds right to me. Soft style sx/so seems unlikely. Maybe he would be dead by now indeed. Or maybe you would have found him earlier.
He does seem triple attached to me too.
Yeah, sx/so is out. It seems to be between so/sx of some range and sp/SO. And I also do think triple attached, have from the start. The thing is he really seems very heavy on 'resigned fatalist' (9 L6), which doesn't mean it LEADS, but my question is would a 3, any 3, with that much obvious resignation even go on stage anymore? I'm not talking about the schmalzy delivery of the song, which could be an act. I'm talking about the very Ninish 'why am I even alive?' way he sort of skulks onto the stage.
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Post by vincent on Jun 2, 2021 13:24:10 GMT -5
in this first video, at 2'56'' "i was trying to split myself in so many different directions, but i was not complaining". That sounds nine-ish, especially with So 9 "participation".
But "trying to" sounds three-ish...
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Post by vincent on Jun 2, 2021 13:28:26 GMT -5
The thing is he really seems very heavy on 'resigned fatalist' (9 L6), which doesn't mean it LEADS, but my question is would a 3, any 3, with that much obvious resignation even go on stage anymore? I'm not talking about the schmalzy delivery of the song, which could be an act. I'm talking about the very Ninish 'why am I even alive?' way he sort of skulks onto the stage. Yes, i see what you mean and i agree it's very very ninish. Right, I guess at that level of resignation, a 3, even a triple attached one, would have stopped going on stage already.
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Post by Roshan on Jun 2, 2021 13:48:38 GMT -5
"I guess at that level of resignation, a 3, even a triple attached one, would have stopped going on stage already. " They would either: stop going on stage and not get out of bed (movement to low 9) stop going on stage and exact revenge, real or imagined, against those who had caused their failure, directly or at proxies (movement to low 6) keep going on stage and not show the resignation, including not to themselves (stay at 3) make resignation into a product somehow (combines all three and is not quite happening either onstage or in interviews) change fields (integration to 6)
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