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Post by Roshan on May 26, 2021 16:51:57 GMT -5
Don't look at other sources until after you vote. Answer by 3 pm NYC time Saturday. Four minute video, three choices for answer only.
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Post by Roshan on May 26, 2021 16:56:26 GMT -5
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Post by Roshan on May 28, 2021 21:47:44 GMT -5
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Post by Roshan on May 29, 2021 16:11:33 GMT -5
Okay, thanks for voting. So this may be the earliest existing interview with Tony Burrows (audio only). The interview is just the first few minutes, the rest is several songs but there are lots of pictures (only not sure if the guy with the tie is him or the interviewer?) This may be his earliest existing recorded performance. Any changes with the votes? Amy , Amy anthony , vincent , winter , anybody? Just like this post if no change or else post the change. jastyne
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Post by jastyne on May 31, 2021 23:49:37 GMT -5
Roshan: So sorry I missed the poll-- just watched the video provided. I saw the votes first thing, but I'm going to agree with 'a screamingly Threeish Nine". If he were American I would feel very sure of that, but, being unsure how much the cultural lens is contributing to what I'm seeing, I'm intentionally holding some wiggle room open there for further input.
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Post by Roshan on Jun 1, 2021 5:16:51 GMT -5
Roshan : So sorry I missed the poll-- just watched the video provided. Thanks for voting. There are two more short videos in my last post above. I'll tag you. If you could give them a quick watch just to confirm, that'd be great. Hope you're feeling well jastyne.
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Post by jastyne on Jun 1, 2021 6:42:44 GMT -5
Roshan -- watched them I think I'm sticking with my first answer. What are you thinking? And, thank you
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Post by Roshan on Jun 1, 2021 7:23:29 GMT -5
Roshan -- What are you thinking? Well... sometimes I will find myself looking into the lives of members of old pop bands that 'pop up' on YouTube in wikipedia, the cheesier the better, and sometimes it will turn into a real rabbit hole. It often starts with gee, I wonder who the hell sang that, or where are they now, (or, lately, are they now), or why on earth did a song like that ever come into being? It rarely starts with typing and rarely has to do as much with the music as with the poignancy and the Mystery of it all. Often it is ultimately about myself. My memories, my childhood. Reconciling what I thought, say, "Love Grows (Where My Rosemary Goes) was when I was ten with what it 'really' was (is). Tony Burrows led me to a huge rabbit hole (no pun intended with burrows) because he was in so many bands with industry people who turned out to be byzantinely interconnected to so many other bands and songs, but Tony didn't come the usual gee, I wonder who sang that way. He came via a YouTube comment he posted as a eulogy under the video of a better known musician he had known, who had passed that day (the day he posted, not the day I saw it, and can't remember who ). This 'Tony Burrows' sounded quite self-important and there were comments in reply to him that sounded like they thought he was important too (not that many, mind you), but I never heard of him. So I looked into him and he turned out to be the King of Cheesy Pop Musicians I Look Into. (Tony where ya been all my life? You were right there behind the songs all along, all the songs, hiding behind the veil...) He struck me hard hard hard as a Three, so hard I wanted to use him to start a thread called OMG S/he's Such a Three!, subtitled A thread in honor of this sort of person. But I tarried, and then when I went back to do it, I realized...wait, how come he's not a Nine? And I looked into him further and realized I just had no argument for how come not. None. Other than how similar he was superficially to Paul McCartney and Sty Stallone, considered paradigmatic Threes in the springtime of my typology days (though I was the one who didn't understand then and wanted to know why they weren't Nines, until I was made to see the light). And that somehow I just didn't feel it. So I dug even more and found out that both accounts of his record breaking (also no pun intended)--the appearing on the same show same day and the being the actual recorded lead vocal on all five hits--are hotly contested, the latter with especial acrimony by former members of the band "White Plains". However, even then I know that that doesn't make the Three lead. Since the salad days of my E songs of innocence when everyone had one stack and one instinct, many things have changed and 3 on 9 can make that kind of deceit. Not to mention we don't know if the deceit is even conscious--it often isn't with Threes either (especially with double or triple attached). But I just can't get over this nagging feeling he's a Three. By everything I've done in the songs of experience stage of typology he should be a 9 but I just can't bring myself to do it...I know I should but I can't. He still seems like a heart type to me. So I'd like to approach this from a different vantage point. How would you stack him people? What kind of a 9 or 3? Amy , anthony , jastyne , vincent , winter
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Post by Roshan on Jun 1, 2021 8:13:01 GMT -5
It seems that like my mirror Peterson I have been given 'the gift of a problem'. If we can all get to 'see the light' on this Burrows rabbit and achieve full consensus then it should really say something about those (hypothetical) stack-fix correlations. But you can't type backwards. (u no who u r) You have go in order of prominence of each fix and instinct, and the only single fix and instinct you can really independently correlate is the first. Of course sometimes a stacking just screams out too.
So we should ask ourselves--what kind of a 9, or 3, do we think he is?
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Post by Roshan on Jun 1, 2021 8:26:23 GMT -5
For comparison, McCartney, pretty much universally typed as 3w2. Naturally not saying you have to agree, just...saying. And this I've assumed to be a soft sx/so, mega 9 (w8 with a lot of oscillation to 1) and 7 in 6 (or less likely 6 in 7).
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Post by Roshan on Jun 1, 2021 8:32:57 GMT -5
I also need to say that the reason Tony Burrows was a multiple 'one hit wonder', holds the record for one hit wonders (even if it is four not five), is that he was a top studio session singer. And it is not easy to get to the top of that heap, to become that extraordinarily ordinary. I know, I know, he was no McCartney nor would he have been even if he'd had a Lennon and a Brian Epstein...but...not all Threes, etc.
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Post by Roshan on Jun 2, 2021 7:59:16 GMT -5
Also, if there had been a full consensus that Burrows is a 9, I probably would have just figured my first impression was wrong. (At least for now, no guarantee it wouldn't have come back later to nag me). That wouldn't have made Burrows' similarities with the 3w2 ur-exemplar McCartney and his stacking/complete typing irrelevant, but as things stand, I really need to hear from the dissenting vote. What kind of 3, Amy , and why? And for the others, again, what kind of 9?
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Post by Amy on Jun 2, 2021 9:04:23 GMT -5
I thought I had also clicked on ‘screamingly threeish nine’ (can you see the names of who voted what? Did I accidentally click on the wrong one?). I think that though he’s three fixed but he seems to have kept his piece of the pie’ by literally accommodating/ merging with these groups. Not only that he seems aware or even expecting that he’s an ordinary who managed to be extraordinary, not the other way around. 3w2 may try to maintain an image through their service to others rather than their own individuality as with 3w4, but I feel like 3 core would give the impression of someone who would be expecting of either recognition, even it’s the recognition of being the glue that held everyone together. Tony seems accepting of his success (and does brag about the extraordinary part of things, in an ‘of course it was a hit and of course I had fun kind of way), but I get the impression that he still would’ve went along for the ride if things hadn’t gone the way they did. That and I also found the interviewer to do more if the heavy lifting in bragging on Tony’s behalf, so I wonder how he would’ve come across without her seemingly nudging the conversation to ‘all that he has been’ (which he seemed eager to accommodate). Maybe a 9w1 3w2 7w6 so/sx but I’m not certain.
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Post by Roshan on Jun 2, 2021 9:15:36 GMT -5
I thought I had also clicked on ‘screamingly threeish nine’ (can you see the names of who voted what? Did I accidentally click on the wrong one?). The poll maker and admin can always see the names of the voters and the votes, but not who voted for what. But you were the last voter and all the other votes were 9, so I know yours was the 3. If you or anyone uses a cell phone to access the site when you're out and about, you should only do it when you're sure you're settled down and focused. Otherwise mistakes get made and things get missed. Thanks for the quick reply Amy
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Post by Roshan on Jun 2, 2021 9:26:29 GMT -5
so I wonder how he would’ve come across without her seemingly nudging the conversation to ‘all that he has been’ (which he seemed eager to accommodate). Maybe a 9w1 3w2 7w6 so/sx but I’m not certain. hmmm....well, one thing that did hit me over the head with a hammer was the "I'm comfortable". This seems exceedingly 9w8 'Comfort Seeker" and I was thinking 9w8 1w9, which with everything else being very sociable and interpersonal, is softening the edge of the 8 wing. It is hard to know. He does seem more 9w1-ish when younger so it could be the development of the secondary wing with age, but he really seems inarticulate for a high social One-winger with 3w2 and 6/7 line. I also think he may be triple attached, particularly if he's so/sx, because he's very 'unbubbly' for 7 fix AND so/sx. He seems too heavy on the 'resigned' side of "Resigned Fatalism" despite his insistence to the contrary to really be 'double positive', especially since the 3w2 is clear and strong, and is itself quite positive.
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