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Post by vincent on May 19, 2021 16:00:15 GMT -5
Of course not.
"Maps of Time" sounds like an answer to "Maps of Meaning" indeed.
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Post by vincent on May 19, 2021 16:10:23 GMT -5
I will have more to say about this.
Time and meaning. The epigraph
This weird mix of grandstanding and apology
his relationship with Catholicism too
and all this is related to the differences between you and him, and between NiTe and TeNi.
But i will need some time to articulate it.
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Post by Roshan on May 19, 2021 16:10:36 GMT -5
To be fair it is Peterson himself who goes back in time.
He says WE have had hierarchy for billions of years.
But then he cooks the books...
okay fine it is what it is.
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Post by Roshan on May 19, 2021 16:12:25 GMT -5
I will have more to say about this.
Time and meaning. The epigraph
This weird mix of grandstanding and apology
his relationship with Catholocism too
and all this is related to the differences between you and him, and between NiTe and TeNi.
But i will need some time to articulate it.
naturally
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Post by vincent on May 19, 2021 16:29:01 GMT -5
To be fair it is Peterson himself who goes back in time. He says WE have had hierarchy for billions of years. But then he cooks the books...
Yes he does. Indeed.
And when he goes back in the other kind of time, the time of the "foundation of the World", he does it as a zealot indeed.
You're definitely right about this. And you're also right that this is Si polr already, which goes hand in hand with Ni tool.
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Post by Roshan on May 19, 2021 16:40:10 GMT -5
We have other TeNi's though.
"He conceived the principle of complementarity: that items could be separately analysed in terms of contradictory properties, like behaving as a wave or a stream of particles. The notion of complementarity dominated Bohr's thinking in both science and philosophy."--wiki
Beginning of 'the Uncertainty Principle'.
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Post by Roshan on May 19, 2021 16:42:36 GMT -5
The problem with a lot of the others seems to be they feel a need to be sure.
Like I said, Te leading to N is problematic to begin with. With Ni it must be very scary.
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Post by Roshan on May 19, 2021 16:43:56 GMT -5
So they swashbuckle.
It's probably more like fencing than chess ultimately.
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Post by vincent on May 19, 2021 16:54:15 GMT -5
Auburn might be Ni polr but he isn't wrong that Ni has an hypnotic side.
And when Peterson's uses that line as an epigraph "I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world." It sounds a bit like the beginning of a hypnotic induction script to me.
Only listen to my voice...
Ni used as a tool.
But the thing is... i'm not sure he does it only to "prepare" all those Ne moves. And i agree he is probably not even aware that he does them.
You're absolutely right he probably does that to convince himself too, and give himself more confidence.
He probably needs to get some Ne authority to begin with.
The thing is "listening to his voice" is already a major problem for him.
That's also what this preface his about.
And i don't doubt that this part is true.
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Post by vincent on May 19, 2021 16:55:44 GMT -5
So they swashbuckle. It's probably more like fencing than chess ultimately.
Yes, that sounds absolutely right to me.
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Post by Roshan on May 19, 2021 17:04:39 GMT -5
vincent , Peterson is very clear that when he discovered the maps of meaning he felt overwhelmed and overawed. He spoke frequently on yt about (and includes in that book) the letter he wrote his father, dear dad, I think I discovered something no one else ever knew, aw shucks. It was this whole overawed aw shucks and kind of innocent attitude that has had me thinking he may be TiNe or TeSi or something else...Auburn's FeNi really seems after all rather silly though at the time we started with this stuff I didn't quite understand that. In fact I think if FeNi thought they discovered the very foundation of everything they would be more likely to revel in it like a pig in shit than to be so afraid...be that as it may this clueless Joe aspect to him has really kept me wondering...but I suppose none of the 16 types can be so limited that TeNi can only be 'sophisticates'... the point is I am positive he is unaware of most of the crap he pulls.
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Post by vincent on May 19, 2021 17:11:48 GMT -5
In fact I think if FeNi thought they discovered the very foundation of everything they would be more likely to revel in it like a pig in shit than to be so afraid...
Yes indeed. That sounds right to me too.
Well, my impression at this point is that if he wanted to pull it on purpose, it would fail, or at least wouldn't work that well.
The unawareness probably contributes to the (self)hypnotic efficacy, so to speak.
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Post by Roshan on May 19, 2021 17:11:56 GMT -5
In fact I don't even think the jaded, hard-bitten sophisticate Vaknin KNEW he was plagiarizing Otto Fenichel from 1938 when he appropriated 'narcissistic supply' as his own. And in one of his videos, not very new but not a very old one either, Vaknin said that narcissists believe themselves when they appropriate ideas.
Which is not to say Peterson's a narcissist (and is to say it seems Vaknin's been undergoing a relatively continuous evolution of late) but something's wrong with this picture.
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Post by Roshan on May 19, 2021 17:13:06 GMT -5
Well, my impression at this point is that if he wanted to pull them on purpose, it would fail, or at least wouldn't work that well.
The unawareness probably contributes to the (self)hypnotic efficacy, so to speak.
I think if he wanted to pull them off he would pull them off much BETTER Vincenzo.
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Post by Roshan on May 19, 2021 17:16:03 GMT -5
I think if he wanted to pull them off he would pull them off much BETTER Vincenzo. Because he would use DIFFERENT ones vincent dear.
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