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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2020 23:30:57 GMT -5
A little run down of my typing history. I first came to know about mbti when someone in high school told me they had just learned about this system and I was DEFINITELY an INFJ. I remember looking into it a lot a couple years later and testing INFJ and maybe ISFJ sometimes on tests. I felt that Te polr fit me pretty well as I found that I had a lot of difficulty being efficient with my time and had trouble organizing my thoughts in situations like paper writing. Around 2018 I heard about Auburn's visual typing in the Enneagram Universe group. From my video they guessed that I was likely not INFJ but SeTi. I read into these two functions on the cognitive typology website and found that I could somewhat relate to the Extraverted Sensing description but couldn't make Ti fit for me. When I finally had Auburn type me himself, he landed on FiNe. I had never considered being an Fi user before but the description that the cognitive typology site had felt EXTREMELY relevant for me and I was satisfied with this typing. Thus concludes the history of my cognitive typing. I'll post a video from about a year ago below for reference. vincent are you moreso a socionics person? I have just recently become involved in a socionics group and realized that it differs from the cognitive functions I'm familiar with to a greater extent than I realized.
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Post by vincent on Dec 27, 2020 12:22:28 GMT -5
Thanks @cardia !
Typing as INFJ initially is pretty classic. But going from SeTi to FiNe within the same system is pretty unusual !
I'll watch your video tomorrow when i'll be back home, then i'll get back to you with remarks and questions.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2020 13:04:31 GMT -5
Thanks @cardia !
Typing as INFJ initially is pretty classic. But going from SeTi to FiNe within the same system is pretty unusual !
I'll watch your video tomorrow when i'll be back home, then i'll get back to you with remarks and questions.
Yes, i typed as two very common mistypes in both enneagram and cognitive type lol. For the record I didn't consider myself likely to be SeTi, that's just what I was told my vultology was by people who are not auburn or affiliated with cognitive typology.
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Post by anthony on Dec 27, 2020 13:05:02 GMT -5
Hey @cardia, Firstly, I should mention that I related to a LOT of what you said in that video with respect to 9 and 3, a LOT. The reason I mention this is because I'm TiNe, which has enough function parallels to FiNe, and some of what I say will come from personal experience and understanding of how Ne second, Si third, and Se PoLR tie into what was said. Also, my personal understanding of cognitive functions was probably, mostly derived from socionics, although it was also largely formed by what I learned from Vincent and Robin both.
Something that immediately struck me was when you described your approach to meeting goals, "attacking" them. Can you say more about this? "Attacking goals," at least to me, seems to imply that you experience task completion/achievement as straightforward and objective, and also that it's visceral for you.
I understand that in order to complete tasks, generally speaking, you have to momentarily adopt this mindset, but how often would you say you find yourself in this "attacking"/"how do I go about achieving/doing X?" state of mind? (Even if you aren't actively doing anything, or what you're doing is something small/inessential to you)
You also mentioned that you have wide-ranging interests and difficulty narrowing down goals, and that you'll tend to merge with what seems cool/interesting to you at the time. With 9s, these sorts of problems seem especially common in Si/Ne axis users.
Something that I've observed in people who have lower Ne(xSxJs), if they're 9s, is that they can actually have very little idea of who they even are, and tend to become transceivers of various opinions/perspectives/ideas from others without actively seeking or generating those possibilities on their own, and they may not even take those possibilities very seriously. If choosing a career, they might just "pick something" because it feels right, and they won't tend to change their minds. (This is speculative, mind you)
The above would be Si--->Ne, they'll want to find something to 'settle' on, so they can then remain open to receiving other possibilities. Being in a position to open up new doors to various possibilities is the end goal.
By contrast, with higher Ne(xNxP) 9s, and speaking from personal experience, they tend to over-generate various perspectives with respect to questions like "what should I do in school?" and overwhelm themselves to the point where actually starting to do anything at all is difficult -- they get so attached to keeping all options open that actually settling on something feels unideal, despite seeking to settle.
This would be Ne-->Si, generating many possibilities with the hope eventually being able to settle. Knowing/toying with all of the possibilities so they can have the confidence to settle is the end goal.
You don't really strike me as Se/Ni using, but, is there anything about you that you think could be?
I don't quite have my thoughts gathered regarding Fi/Te and Ti/Fe, but tbcd.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2020 13:11:58 GMT -5
"By contrast, with higher Ne(xNxP) 9s, and speaking from personal experience, they tend to over-generate various perspectives with respect to questions like "what should I do in school?" and overwhelm themselves to the point where actually starting to do anything at all is difficult -- they get so attached to keeping all options open that actually settling on something feels unideal, despite seeking to settle."
If you'll recall I described this exact scenario to you as being my experience in college and told you that it's imperative to just pick something. I didn't always know that, I had to learn it and still struggle with it immensely. Although perhaps you'll think that this is wanting to find something to settle on. Maybe it is.
Regarding "attacking" goals. I've never attacked a goal in my life so I'll have to watch this and figure out what I meant. I struggle with goal setting/accomplishment
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2020 13:28:07 GMT -5
You don't really strike me as Se/Ni using, but, is there anything about you that you think could be? As far as Se/Ni goes, if we're going to be using socionics definitions I will look into them and get back to you
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Post by anthony on Dec 27, 2020 13:43:21 GMT -5
"By contrast, with higher Ne(xNxP) 9s, and speaking from personal experience, they tend to over-generate various perspectives with respect to questions like "what should I do in school?" and overwhelm themselves to the point where actually starting to do anything at all is difficult -- they get so attached to keeping all options open that actually settling on something feels unideal, despite seeking to settle." If you'll recall I described this exact scenario to you as being my experience in college and told you that it's imperative to just pick something. I didn't always know that, I had to learn it and still struggle with it immensely. I do recall that, and was actually thinking about it when writing the post. My main point was, I believe Si/Ne axis users, especially if 9s, can struggle with this in general. However, it seems like higher Si users tend to be more prone to just settling on something that "feels right" and may remain uncertain, with an eye on "all other possibilities." I think the Si/Ne axis can manifest similarly among high Si and high Ne users, but the "end goals"(the seeking/inferior functions) are what actually direct the individual. This is sort of what I was asking about. From a "cognitive" standpoint, I'll try to give an example: hiddenglass was inclined to create a database where he had a thousand examples of differently typed individuals, where he could essentially "overlap" those individuals and derive similarities, revealing something about types, or individual fixes, or certain fix placements, etc. He started with an all-encompassing view of what an Enneagram tritype COULD be like(Ne "potential energy" -- which can be thought of in this instance as, what an object could be before you see it in action), and then his goal was to eventually codify what the tritypes actually were, as though he were writing a textbook on them. Ne--->Si. I believe Si--->Ne, in typology, will most likely begin with an intuitive understanding of "the way the world is" that they derived on their own over time, and then typology will give them the opportunity to continually expand on that understanding. More on this later.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2020 13:49:13 GMT -5
So by this method I would be moving Fi--->Te? Or if I'm what I imagine a few of you think I am, Si--->Ne?
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Post by anthony on Dec 27, 2020 13:52:48 GMT -5
Well right now, I'm more inclined to think you're FiSi(just a variation on FiNe) although I'm not sure yet. FiNe would be Fi--->Te and Ne--->Si. To get more info: What do you see as possible typings for yourself? And why?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2020 14:07:31 GMT -5
So by this method I would be moving Fi--->Te? Or if I'm what I imagine a few of you think I am, Si--->Ne? Well right now, I'm more inclined to think you're FiSi(just a variation on FiNe) although I'm not sure yet. FiNe would be Fi--->Te and Ne--->Si. To get more info: What do you see as possible typings for yourself? And why? Are we considering jumper types now? How does that work with these particular slots that Socionics has? Are things like polr still relevant then? I see FiNe, FiSi, SiFi, FiSe, and maybe SiFe as potential types for me. Having Te high up in use doesn't seem like a strong reality for me. It's always quite clear to me how much more efficient and effective Te users are than me. They always seem to possess an ability streamline their system of doing things that just does not come naturally to me at all. I had a high Te friend who would use an empirical system she came up with to check how well she was doing on her goals. Shit like this doesn't even occur to me even though I think it could help me with self realization. I also don't think Fe Polr describes me as I'm plenty aware of and can easily participate in the vibe of a group. The Si/Se because I recognize that I have been more physically active and perhaps more attuned to the physical world than how many intuitive types are described. I know on the cognitive types website one part of Se is physical flow or something of that nature which I relate to (looks like auburn just edited the site so I can't find the particular page I'm looking for to reference). In socionics I'm not that sure how Si and Se differ in their approach to the physical world so I can't speak much to that right now. Oh, to add, since I didn't really describe what I related to about Fi. From the socionics Fi description: "Fi is generally associated with the ability to gain an implicit sense of the subjective 'distance' between two people, and make judgments based off of said thing. Types with valued Fi strive to make and maintain close, personal relationships with their friends and family....His own sense of constancy in personal ethics and in his relationships with others is a very strong factor in his sense of self-worth. Fi in this position implies the ability to almost instantly recognize whether someone is a friend or an enemy, whether they are demonstrating good will or ill will, and whether they are drawn to or repelled by the individual." My close relationships with others takes precedence in my life, to the point where is can cause me much anxiety or stress if I perceive that a relationship I have is out of wack in some way. If you'll recall I typed as Social instinct dominant for pretty much this very reason. I never found these types of insecurities odd until I started dating someone who I'm certain is Ti/Fe. He doesn't seem to feel these things at all
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Post by Roshan on Dec 27, 2020 14:15:02 GMT -5
I'm not that sure how Si and Se differ in their approach to the physical world so I can't speak much to that right now. Se (to confront as another) force of nature Si (respect toward) mother/father nature
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Post by vincent on Dec 27, 2020 18:16:32 GMT -5
Yes, i typed as two very common mistypes in both enneagram and cognitive type lol. For the record I didn't consider myself likely to be SeTi, that's just what I was told my vultology was by people who are not auburn or affiliated with cognitive typology.
Yeah, you're almost certainly not SeTi, but it's still interesting that it came out somewhere along the way.
It's also significant that you were able to "somewhat relate" to high Se at that point, and now you also relate to Se polr.
I'm pretty sure there is a good reason for that, and it will become clear at some point.
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Post by vincent on Dec 27, 2020 18:21:04 GMT -5
As far as Se/Ni goes, if we're going to be using socionics definitions I will look into them and get back to you
Our "system" retain some aspects of socionics (PolR is a big one), but not necessarily its definitions of the functions.
Auburn's definitions are (mostly) ok.
So if you know them well, you can stick to them and we will make it clear if/when we disagree with him specifically.
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Post by vincent on Dec 27, 2020 18:32:43 GMT -5
Jumpers have the same slots than non-jumpers.
Including the polr function. But they develop and manifest themselves a bit differently.
Their main characteristic of jumpers are a subdued auxiliary function and a very strong tertiary (agenda) function.
Pretty sure one of those is right indeed.
tbcd soon.
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Post by adrian on Dec 28, 2020 4:33:42 GMT -5
Well right now, I'm more inclined to think you're FiSi(just a variation on FiNe) although I'm not sure yet. FiNe would be Fi--->Te and Ne--->Si. To get more info: What do you see as possible typings for yourself? And why? I see FiNe, FiSi, SiFi, FiSe, and maybe SiFe as potential types for me. Having Te high up in use doesn't seem like a strong reality for me. It's always quite clear to me how much more efficient and effective Te users are than me. They always seem to possess an ability streamline their system of doing things that just does not come naturally to me at all. I had a high Te friend who would use an empirical system she came up with to check how well she was doing on her goals. Shit like this doesn't even occur to me even though I think it could help me with self realization. I agree that those are the most plausible types for you. In general how would you describe your relationship to Te? Do you tend to avoid it? Do you work fine within a Te structure once given the proper framework?
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