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Post by Roshan on Oct 19, 2020 19:01:12 GMT -5
Sigh.
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Post by Roshan on Oct 19, 2020 19:36:30 GMT -5
Do you know offhand what texts he's alluding to, vincent , other than the OT (and whatever sections ferreted out of the Talmud), Herzl, writings on neoliberalsm and neoconservatism and the redolent scent of the fabricated Protocols of the Elders of Zion? He brings up the Golem. The Golem has to do with the names of God. Does he think there's also been some kind of Kabbalistic chicanery afoot throughout the centuries? Might he include, for instance, the Zohar? No need for long screeds but I'm curious. Here's this Carl Schmitt fellow he mentions, and can we be clear that he's criticizing the sections of the left that followed Léon Blum instead of Hitler? Is this part of the new escalation we've talked about?
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Post by Roshan on Oct 19, 2020 19:57:04 GMT -5
Perhaps he considers Freud and Reich to be subversive texts designed to corrupt the moral fiber...There is such a supreme irony in this social Six on his mighty steed leading the troops to name the name while being too chicken to do so himself. I will say a lot of the OT is just despicable and the concept of the Chosen People has to go, but Soral might think about the Albigense Crusade where the king of France, then only the northern part, and the Church used the pretext of a Christian 'heresy' to take over the south. So much for one big happy French family if not for the Jooz. Savior of the Sedentaries Trump with his Jewish daughter and grandson, who moved the Israeli embassy to Jerusalem...sigh...so much Sicksness in all this, OT Yahweh is no picnic and that book deserves every possible criticism as do the neocons, neolibs, Israel and more, but so so much of this is really Six issues with the father....with the elders not of Zion but of their own devout and often subconscious Christianity. These people are so religious. I feel like the name that he really wants to say is the Golem's names of God. He wants to have the talismanic power and potency he imagines the parent religion to have.
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Post by vincent on Oct 20, 2020 0:43:09 GMT -5
Do you know offhand what texts he's alluding to, vincent , other than the OT (and whatever sections ferreted out of the Talmud), Herzl, writings on neoliberalsm and neoconservatism and the redolent scent of the fabricated Protocols of the Elders of Zion? He brings up the Golem. The Golem has to do with the names of God. Does he think there's also been some kind of Kabalistic chicanery afoot throughout the centuries? Might he include, for instance, the Zohar? No need for long screeds but I'm curious.
Yeah, the "founding texts" he alludes to would include the Zohar. Initially he didn't expand much on the "anti-talmudic" aspect. He would just brag about how much he "studied all that stuff" and whispers about how awful it all was.
In recent years (since 2015, give or take) his Ni seeking has become more and more explicitly esoteric and conspiracist though.
Well, his formulation isn't clear on purpose. The thing is, for the french antisemites 1936 is a pivotal year and Blum an essential character of their revisionist mythology.
He is the quintessential "useful idiot of the System", the jewish puppet of jewish conspirators, used to prevent... something from happening.
The details of the conspiracy depends on which antisemite you're talking to. For the disgruntled anarchists, the Front popular / Frente popular sold the One True Left to the social democraty to prevent a libertarian revolution in Spain and in France.
For the ex-stalinists, it was a trotskyist manipulation and betrayal to save Capitalism.
For the royalist far right, it was a reaction to save parliamentary democracy and prevent the restauration of our rightful King.
And for the pro-nazis, it was all about depriving us of our share of the Third Reich glory...
And Soral will never be clear and explicit about stuff like this. Alluding to this is enough to win the Fe 3rd jackpot.
Anything more would alienate some part of his vierwership.
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Post by vincent on Oct 20, 2020 0:49:53 GMT -5
Perhaps he considers Freud and Reich to be subversive texts designed to corrupt the moral fiber...There is such a supreme irony in this social Six on his mighty steed leading the troops to name the name while being too chicken to do so. I will say a lot of the OT is just despicable and the concept of the Chosen People has to go, but Soral might think about the Albigense Crusade where the northern king and the Church used the pretext of a Christian 'heresy' to take over the south. So much for one big happy French family if not for the Jooz. Savior of the Sedentaries Trump with his Jewish daughter and grandson, who moved the Israeli embassy to Jerusalem...sigh...so much Sicksness in all this, OT Yahweh is no picnic and that book deserves every possible criticism as do the neocons, neolibs, Israel and more, but so so much of this is really Six issues with the father....with the elders not of Zion but of their own devout and often subconscious Christianity. These people are so religious. I feel like the name that he really wants to say is the Golem's names of God. He wants to have the talismanic power and potency he imagines the parent religion to have.
Yes indeed.
I agree entirely.
Btw, and significantly, his religious stance oscillate between "i'm an atheist" and "i'm catholic, born and baptized".
And if his interlocutor truly insists he will say stuff like
"i've seen Evil with my own eyes. And since Evil hasn't completely won yet, i must deduce and conclude, in all intellectual honesty, that something like a God does exist too". With more and more gnostic accents in later years. Identifying Yahweh with the Evil Demiurge/Actual Satan.
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Post by Roshan on Oct 20, 2020 7:48:23 GMT -5
With more and more gnostic accents in later years. Identifying Yaweh with the Evil Demiurge/Actual Satan.
A most meritorious identification if you are living in say second century A.D. Alexandria. Thank you for your replies. There is too much here. I need processing time.
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Post by vincent on Oct 21, 2020 11:36:49 GMT -5
So i found back the video i initially showed to Roshan months ago
It wasn't about Soral's type back then. It was about the intertype relationship. I strongly suspect that the other guy is his NiFe dual.
There is no subtitle options. But there is still a lot to see.
Among other things : Soral saying and doing basically nothing, acting like a Totemic Pole (or like a Mongolian Tug) giving him S in the process.
Also, that 1 minute long intro...
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Post by Roshan on Oct 21, 2020 12:38:21 GMT -5
Thanks vincent . btw it was many months ago when I saw this video and I wasn't sure whether when Beast2 thread went up whether Soral was the same guy as in it nor even positive what the types discussed had been. My huge SeTi impression was based on huge similarities with TSAP.
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Post by Admin on Oct 22, 2020 0:09:39 GMT -5
"like a Mongolian Tug" Yak tail hairs! Yesss! (the point being, Mongolian = beta a.f.) * * * ps Very truly yours, Roshan
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Post by vincent on Oct 22, 2020 15:48:33 GMT -5
Here is two different videos on the "i've seen Evil with my own eyes" theme :
The first one is pretty short and Ti heavy, and it has an autotranslate option. The dualistic stance and the rejection of christianity as a failed mediator between Men and God are both pretty clear.
The second one is a lot more hysterical and autobiographical. He even goes to say stuff like "it's about childhood, the Name of the Father, there is a psychoanalytical side to this".
I will try to translate a few key parts soon.
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Post by vincent on Feb 9, 2021 13:40:45 GMT -5
Initially he didn't expand much on the "anti-talmudic" aspect. He would just brag about how much he "studied all that stuff" and whispers about how awful it all was.
In recent years (since 2015, give or take) his Ni seeking has become more and more explicitly esoteric and conspiracist though.
Welp...
This popped up on youtube.
And is (among other things) an example of what i was saying above. massive massive "hyper-collapse" of Ni 4th, tying everything with anything, anything with everything.
It's also significant that his scope became more "global" with the pandemic. English subtitles are a pretty new thing for him.
edit : and it's also significant that this video got an unusually bad like/dislike ratio and triggered quite a few negative comments.
He is "too far gone" for some parts of his own tribe now.
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Post by Roshan on Feb 9, 2021 13:57:49 GMT -5
And is (among other things) an example of what i was saying above. massive massive "hyper-collapse" of Ni 4th, tying everything with anything, anything with everything.
Haven't watched yet but I can well imagine...It will be interesting to see how much what you call hyper-collapse of Ni fourth, tying everything with everything, will be related to what I called Si fifth category fail for Zeynep. How much there is of 'The See-Saw CT Tao of TPAS". Whatever the case is, I can't say I blame him at all for going full-blown woo woo; something really feels diabolical about all this. tbcd
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Post by vincent on Feb 9, 2021 14:05:48 GMT -5
Haven't watched yet but I can well imagine...It will be interesting to see how much what you call hyper-collapse of Ni fourth, tying everything with everything, will be related to what I called Si fifth category fail for Zeynep.
It has definitely something to do with that too yes.
Yes indeed. Diabolical and apocalyptical.
And in this case, full blown woo woo doesn't necessarily mean more shadow.
It might well be the opposite, paradoxically.
tbcd.
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Post by Roshan on Feb 9, 2021 14:23:03 GMT -5
"mon excellent livre...mes excellents écrits..." Atta boy! When 6 stressed to 3 goes full-fledged Anointed One, better bring the gold, frankincense and myrrh.
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Post by Roshan on Feb 9, 2021 14:36:01 GMT -5
Just got to the Ashkenazi part. I feel like we would get along.
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