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Post by Roshan on Apr 28, 2020 7:46:51 GMT -5
I'm actually thinking his gut may be 9w8(8w7), and in this case his heart is 2w3(3w4).
See what I mean and why? There is like a huge pull going on in opposite directions between 8 down and dirty and 2 eyelash bat. Kind of he has both the gangster and the moll in him.
Which down and dirty could be attributed to the 'decadent' stacking but up to now we haven't really seen that stacking make someone this down and dirty. I mean the thing with the rats was a lot, the way he was truly delighted by this.
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Post by Roshan on Apr 28, 2020 8:17:15 GMT -5
Matt is a very good example of what David Gray means by sp/sx 'Friend of Death'. He also embodies why David Gray observed two flows, a SYNflow and a COUNTERflow--in what was one of the greatest contributions to the system, on a par with any of the famous teachers' contributions.
What's going on here with Matt with the rats (and which is visible with him in his unusual base energy anyway) IS in fact related to stacking for sure. That said, sp/.sx Binger (mid-range stacking) is more likely than decadent range to say, become a serial killer, because it tends to be lower social. (sp/SX tends to pull up the social). So the midstream's sx instinct tends to be less tethered to interpersonal connection and the good of the Other).
But see, Matt wears his unfettered comfort with the lurid and decay, his friendship with death, his literal decadence more on his sleeve than most. He always has. It's what makes his energy so strange. So it can't be just the stacking that's doing this. It has to be other elements too.
If I'm right about his typing we have: extreme stack/trifix conflict (sp/sx and 269 Help! You Need Somebody); we have 6w5 lead, the Trapper, "Have Swiss army knife, will travel"; we have sx 2w3 Aggression and Seduction very close to the surface; those both give line to 8; we also have 8 wing on the 9.
I'm dealing with fine points of the subwings. (It should be noted for the general reader that the purpose of this kind of typing isn't to encourage everybody to do similar Pointillist paint by numbers with people as a parlor game; it's for advanced, committed people to go into aspects which should remain abstruse--even unknown--to the general public, in order to confidently establish baseline examples of the regular types with the hope and prayer they'll get out there somehow). So...
Does Matt have a heavier 8 wing than I thought? Is he just 'more lusty' than I thought? Is his gut just not calibrating to One, the moral space?
hmmm....maybe not, but something IS. So it's sp/SX 6w5(7w6)-2w3(1w2)-9w8(8w7). The HEART calibrates to the moral space, the GUT calibrates away. And the head lead is that ambivalent one (for 6w5 "Trapper" collective human survival requires a lot of mutilated animals and chopping down trees to make a path, it's just the way things are. To live is to kill. And he is SP 6w5 on sp/SX so that's the 'trappiest trapper').
So there is this real tension between a savior's heart and a predator's gut in their vector. 2w3 itself is not that much of a savior it's more of a performer, and 9w8 is not that much of a predator, it's over-accommodating. It's the calibration, the direction (symbolized by the subwing) that's causing this. All attached to 6w5 head which already 'swings both ways'--
attached like the two 'arms' of a wishbone.
I think this is not only what makes Matt's sp/SX decadent so decadent, but makes his energy so strangely both fluid and rigid. There's not just a stack/trifix conflict; there is a further heart/gut tension. But it's not 2w1 heart. He's too fluid and way too Valentine's Day 'heart throb' for that, even with sx 2 strong second. Methinks.
Anyhoo..if you were more familiar with his work you might understand why it matters so much to understand him. I hope I'm on the right 'path' with all this but please feel free to disagree.
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Post by Roshan on Apr 28, 2020 9:55:34 GMT -5
Matt is a very good example of what David Gray means by sp/sx 'Friend of Death'. He also embodies why David Gray observed two flows, a SYNflow and a COUNTERflow--in what was one of the greatest contribution to the system, on a par with any of the famous teachers' contributions. Which is not to imply there aren't MANY people who fall in-between; there is a big 'gray area' where syn and counterflow are not so clearly distinguished. As one would expect and dare I say hope considering there are like 8 billion people. But...Matt is Friend of Death. This goes counter to the ordinary tropism of people in organized society just moving toward and with the collective chosen sun. That Matt is Friend of Death does not imply that Matt is not also Friend of Life. (Putrefaction is also fertilizer, etc.) It's just that Matt...does both... so much and so well.
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Post by vincent on Apr 28, 2020 12:19:49 GMT -5
Matt is a very good example of what David Gray means by sp/sx 'Friend of Death'. He also embodies why David Gray observed two flows, a SYNflow and a COUNTERflow--in what was one of the greatest contribution to the system, on a par with any of the famous teachers' contributions. What's going on here with Matt with the rats (and which is visible with him in his unusual base energy anyway) IS in fact related to stacking for sure. That said, sp/.sx Binger (mid-range stacking) is more likely than decadent range to say, become a serial killer, because it tends to be lower social. (sp/SX tends to pull up the social). So the midstream's sx instinct tends to be less tethered to interpersonal connection and the good of the Other). But see, Matt' wears his unfettered comfort with the lurid and decay, his friendship with death, his literal decadence more on his sleeve than most. He always has. It's what makes his energy so strange. So it can't be just the stacking that's doing this. It has to be other elements too. If I'm right about his typing we have: extreme stack/trifix conflict (sp/sx and 269 Help! You Need Somebody); we have the 6w5 lead, the Trapper, "Have Swiss army knife, will travel"; we have sx 2w3 Aggression and Seduction very close to the surface; those both give line to 8; we also have 8 wing on the 9. I'm dealing with fine points of the subwings. (It should here be noted for the general reader that the purpose of this kind of typing is not to encourage everybody to do similar Pointillist paint by numbers with people as a parlor game; it's for highly committed people to go into aspects which are and should remain abstruse, even unknown, to the general public, in order to be able to just confidently establish baseline examples of the regular types, with the hope and the prayer that they'll get out there somehow). So... Does Matt have a heavier 8 wing than I thought? Is his gut just not calibrating to One, the moral space? Is he just 'more lusty' than I thought? hmmm....maaaaybe, but the heart still IS. So it's sp/SX 6w5(7w6)-2w3(1w2)-9w8(8w7). So the HEART calibrates to the moral space, the GUT calibrates away. And the head lead is that ambivalent one (for 6w5 "Trapper': human survival requires a lot of mutilated animals and chopping down trees to make a path, it's just the way things are. To live is to kill. And he is SP 6w5 on sp/SX so that's the 'trappiest trapper'. So there is this real tension between a savior's heart and a predator's gut in their vector. 2w3 itself is not that much of a savior it's more of a performer, and 9w8 is not that much of a predator, it's over-accommodating. It's the calibration, the direction (symbolized by the subwing) that's causing this. ordinarily but this calibration. ll attached to 6w5 head which already 'swings both ways'-- like the two 'arms' of a wishbone. I think this is not only what makes Matt's sp/SX decadent so decadent, but makes his energy so strangely both fluid and rigid. There's not just a stack/trifix conflict there is a further heart/gut tension. But it's not a 2w1. He's too fluid and way too Valentine's Day 'heart throb' for that, even with sx 2 strong second. Methinks. Anyhoo..if you were more familiar with his work you might understand why it matters so much to understand him. I hope I'm on the right 'path' with all this but please feel free to disagree.
I think this make a LOT of sense.
Stack/trifix conflict and heart/gut tension would account for his unusual energy and energy variations.
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Post by Roshan on Apr 28, 2020 15:03:03 GMT -5
MATT TAIBBI (journalist)
Enneagram type: sp/SX 6w5(7w6)-2w3(1w2)-9w8(8w7) Help! (You Need Somebody) Cognitive type: SeTi
* * * (always open to further suggestions)
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Post by Admin on Jul 19, 2020 8:47:24 GMT -5
I'm actually thinking his gut may be 9w8(8w7), and in this case his heart is 2w3(3w4). See what I mean and why? There is like a huge pull going on in opposite directions between 8 down and dirty and 2 eyelash bat. Kind of he has both the gangster and the moll in him. Which down and dirty could be attributed to the 'decadent' stacking but up to now we haven't really seen that stacking make someone this down and dirty. I mean the thing with the rats was a lot, the way he was truly delighted by this.
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Post by Roshan on Jul 19, 2020 8:50:01 GMT -5
Okay, I'll leave that, that's the part I'm quoting, and I'm back in the right account. Here's my response: Finally Matt Taibbi and Bret Weinstein have met. With Bret Matt does a lot of the eyelash bat, similar to in that talk he gave years ago at the bookstore that had me thinking he was FiNe and had more withdrawn E-factors. It makes sense that Matt does this with Brett since, if our typings are right, Matt (SeTi 'prey' side) and Bret (NeTi with found Si), are 'business partners'--so Matt is going to pragmatically give Brett a lot of space to show his cards with minimal interpersonal 'static'. The way Matt seems to do this reflexively is by going into 'prey' mode and 'showing his throat'; then it becomes clearer: who tries to overpower, who also tries to bite, and who isn't even seeking power over. (This is also how Matt 'does' sp 6w5 with a strong 'most seductive' 2w3 fix). This meeting is politically significant. Matt and Bret would appear to be in the exact same place politically, which is around where I am-- so, too progressive to easily switch from Sanders to Hillary in 2016 just because Trump, but whose commitment to civil liberties also prevents them from moving further left due to the current authoritarian trends. One big difference between them is that Matt, as one the best-known and best progressive journalists for years as the political reporter for "Rolling Stone Magazine", a music and culture publication, is a scenester, one of the tragically hip glamorati. Matt's in the loop. I'm sure we have mutual friends going back years from downtown. While Bret is an academic in the sciences, and he and his wife kept their noses to the grindstone in the jungles of Latin America and the classrooms of Evergreen College working on evolutionary biology--a field whose findings are not always 'politically correct'. So even though Bret was a 'never Hillary' Berniecrat in 2016, he was not in the loop when the shit hit the fan at Evergreen College in Washington State in 2017. We would have been unlikely to have had any mutual friends. At this most progressive college the 'people of color' student groups decided, in light of the Trump election and with the administration's backing, to make their annual "Day of Absence" one where white people would absent themselves from the campus--instead of them, as had previously been done. Bret refused, and media on the left refused to cover the ensuing events but people like Ben Shapiro did and that's how Bret wound up a member of the "Intellectual Dark Web", also bringing on his brother Eric. Eric also has a STEM background (physics) and is center-left (a true 'liberal' in US terminology) but is now assistant to the maverick libertarian Silicon Valley entrepreneur, Peter Thiel (thread coming up on Thiel soon). Without the Weinstein brothers, the IDW would have had no legitimate claim to being politically diverse because everyone else is center-right to right (or if center-left has notable right-leaning views such as Sam Harris' tirades against Islam). But Eric really is center-left and Bret is actually on the left. Or so it seems. Hold that thought. So...when Matt Taibbi meets with Bret Weinstein he is making himself a link in a chain that extends to Shapiro, Peterson, Thiel, etc., and in the video above Matt begins by apologizing to Bret for not understanding the importance of the Evergreen story and not covering it. But I understood it. I was on the crest of this wave. I was where Taibbi is now three years ago. I can't stress this enough. And when the George Floyd protests started, it was very obvious to me--and to Bret--where they were headed, and that's why I refused to participate, on or offline. I knew ordinary black people's neighborhoods would get harmed by anarchist left elements that the MSM (save Fox) would claim were far right; I knew statues of Jefferson would come tumbling down, an assault on the sensibilities of ordinary Americans not to mention on the Si bedrock on which we must stand to orient ourselves; I knew books like "White Fragility" by the meretricious frothing imbecile Robin DiAngelo would skyrocket to best sellers and become required reading in all three sectors: public, private and non-profit. All this I knew and more, so all I was going to do about George Floyd was soberly discuss how to transform policing (not how to 'defund' it and with no ACAB disclaimers). I also knew that people like Matt Taibbi were going to have to choose their response, and what they chose would determine how close we were politically at this time. Matt chose quicker and came down harder against this authoritarian, specious, and ultimately corporate-serving racialist 'left' than I expected, including having some tensions with Katie Halper about it. And that's how I wound up being a supporting member of Matt's non-Rolling Stone journalism site and how he wound up on Bret Weinstein's show. But here's the thing...
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Post by Roshan on Jul 19, 2020 9:23:23 GMT -5
The thing is the idea of Bret's Unity platform that Matt's signing off on I agree with wholeheartedly in principle. Unity platform is a large part of why I was a Tulsi, not Bernie, supporter for 2020. So with his NeTi 'game theory' orientation, Brett cooked up this Te demo scheme: we should draft a bipartisan ticket to run for president/veep, with one center-right and one center-left candidate. In the second four years when they run again they'll switch offices. And of course they'll have rules about when decisions are made together, when the president overrides the veep, etc. All in the game. And all well and good, except for who he chose. The center left is fine, it's Andrew Yang, but the center right is a retired general (I'll get the name) for all these neocon foreign wars. And Andrew Yang isn't sophisticated enough in foreign policy to counter this, so it will be business as usual for sure. And I wrote this a couple of times on Weinstein's channel: The idea behind your plan is fine but this Republican's a Neo-Con and Yang's still a globalist, so find someone else, not the general. And I'm not the only one who complained but nothing changed. It was the Philo-anti-Semite (yup, him again ) who alerted me a few weeks ago, right after Brett had released his proposal and I'd complained, that the entire Intellectual Dark Web are neocons in that the large majority are Jewish and the couple who aren't are Judeophiles (which is particularly obvious with Peterson's Old Testament focus) with loyalties such that they will never, ever do anything that isn't in the interests of Israel. I didn't put two and two together at the time because Bret Weinstein was like an 'old friend and fellow traveler' on YouTube and the Philo-anti-Semite was a brand new migraine headache but the headache was right about this. So while Matt Taibbi's busy showing his throat to see who's friend or foe he's rather cluelessly signing on to a neocon platform, probably also because he feels guilty that he didn't cover Evergreen in 2017, that he missed that boat three years ago. But like I said...I didn't.
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Post by Roshan on Jul 19, 2020 9:28:33 GMT -5
Disclaimer: Since I'm currently contesting a billing charge that may draw attention to the content on this forum, a) I'm Jewish; b) this is not a political forum and I don't care what people's politics are, and in the end this is all going to wind up being applied to personality typology.
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Post by vincent on Jul 19, 2020 10:22:44 GMT -5
I just watched the beginning of the video for now, but from what i've seen so far, that sounds right to me.
Prey mode and throat showing are indeed very obvious here.
(btw, throat showing makes sense as an inverted, prey side version of the "beta dare")
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Post by vincent on Jul 19, 2020 10:29:25 GMT -5
Yes, there seems to be some kind of guilt, some kind of debt bondage there. I agree.
And TPAS makes sense (again)...
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Post by Roshan on Jul 19, 2020 11:00:42 GMT -5
Yes, there seems to be some kind of guilt, some kind of debt bondage there. I agree. Well, Matt is social last. He's sp/SX decadent Help! (You Need Somebody) tritype. He's driven by type to be highly sociable and caring but he isn't guided by the social instinct and he also lacks a proficiency fix. And is beta and Si-ignoring. So there seems to be some kind of subconscious tribal fealty ritual going on here--like he's paying tribute to the bigger chieftain--which is making him blind to the social/Si 'category ("say, dude, one of your candidates is a neocon..." ). That he pays this tribute is ironic, because Bret--with prodigious quantitative intelligence and evolutionary theories of 'gaming'--knows perfectly well who the celebrity is here and it ain't Bret. Now interestingly, Matt is into 'the game' too but it's a much more visceral, instinctive game, and I think some of the issue here is that Matt feels Bret outplayed him. And in Beta, it's always the best contender of the moment who must lead the charge, so he defers to Bret in a way that makes him more Si (and social) blind. See, sp/so is a soldier, so/sp is a general, but sp/sx is a warrior. Matt does politics with a very 'low center', Se > Si. Basically, right now, he's not really thinking. Looks like this is a job for...Katie Halper! Who I identified as the brains of "Useful Idiots". Now, Katie may indeed have unintentional pro-Israel blinders but she's a social first 5w6 NiTe; she should be able to 'discern' a neocon presidential ticket. I mean, after all, I did...
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Post by Roshan on Jul 19, 2020 11:11:09 GMT -5
I mean, he's thinking, but he's thinking about what he missed and how to up 'his game'. ('Tell me more about how Academe became illiberal, Bret'). He's not thinking about some very basic categories, such as... 'neocon'. This reminds me of what used to be known in proofreading as "title blindness". One time decades ago I got a very good big Spanish dictionary for a dollar because it had a spelling error on the cover....
This meeting between the tragically hip progressives of long standing and the IDW is long overdue and it's all for the best, I assume, but some recalibration is in order...
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Post by vincent on Jul 19, 2020 11:12:49 GMT -5
Yes, that's the thing. They are both Ti instrumental, same slot, but one of them is an academic Ti user. And Matt stressed it out several times : "i'm only just starting to do the research on what happens in Academia".
Indeed.
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Post by vincent on Jul 19, 2020 11:19:45 GMT -5
Right, i agree. Post crossed
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