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Post by Roshan on Apr 15, 2021 3:55:27 GMT -5
I wound up delving into this extraordinary person because I looked into a little known white southern civil rights activist named Will Campbell when Chris Hedges mentioned him. Campbell turned out to have written a book about two early black students at Mercer--a school I'd never heard of either--so I looked into them too. Oni seems to be SiTe (and E1). If you agree with the ct please like this post because then he's Fe PolR and it's a good opportunity to talk about the difference between Fe and Fi, and also SeTi and SeFi, and what PolR, and PolR as power, are. If you don't think he's SiTe, don't like the post and just say what you think his ct is and why. After his experiences at Mercer University in the mid 60s Oni vowed never to set foot in Georgia again. He got a Masters in journalism at the University of California, Berkeley and went back to Ghana and started a non-profit to help farmers. He relented and eventually went back to Georgia many years later when he was invited to speak at Mercer.
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Post by Roshan on Apr 15, 2021 4:18:56 GMT -5
DISCLAIMER: I didn't stumble upon Oni because of the protests in Minnesota. It was just because of a mention of someone in a Chris Hedges video. You may have noticed I didn't capitalize the 'b' in black, and I didn't capitalize the 'w' in white either. I don't believe in race as an ultimate concept and neither does Oni, my probable 'business partner", but I'm the NiTe and I 'see eternity in a grain of sand'. Systemic racism (should I say systemic discrimination?) is far worse than most "conservatives" admit, but "little" things like writing "Black and white" expose a movement so stupid they're like fractals of an imbecilic multiverse--which would be hilarious if it weren't so dangerous. Trust me, this is no eternity to die to. I have to distance myself from both this movement that began earlier but coalesced around George Floyd and its conservative obverse.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2021 8:52:11 GMT -5
DISCLAIMER: I didn't stumble upon Oni because of the protests in Minnesota. It was just because of a mention of someone in a Chris Hedges video. You may have noticed I didn't capitalize the 'b' in black, and I don't capitalize the 'w' in white either. I don't believe in race as an ultimate concept and neither does Oni, my probable 'business partner", but I'm the NiTe and I 'see eternity in a grain of sand'. Systemic racism (or should I say systemic discrimination?) is far worse than most "conservatives" admit, but "little" things like writing "Black and white" disclose a movement so stupid they are fractals in a multiverse of idiocy that would be hilarious if it weren't so dangerous. Trust me, this is not an eternity you should die to. I have to distance myself from both this movement that began earlier but coalesced around George Floyd and its conservative obverse. Why can't we just say brown and pink? EDIT: Okay, nevermind. I have no clue. Probably a post I shouldn't have sent.
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Post by Roshan on Apr 15, 2021 9:19:54 GMT -5
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Post by Roshan on Apr 15, 2021 9:26:00 GMT -5
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Post by Roshan on Apr 15, 2021 10:11:51 GMT -5
EDIT: Okay, nevermind. I have no clue. Probably a post I shouldn't have sent. Au contraire. My head is full of skin tones and humanae now. Who could ask for more?
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Post by Roshan on Apr 15, 2021 10:36:23 GMT -5
And this is very relevant to typology--the 'task at hand'. Ohuhu affordable art supply company offers a set of twenty four basic skin tone marker colors for blending, all assigned axiomatically somewhat arbitrary names, and seemingly biased toward Japan > say equatorial Africa. But they appear to have up to 120 and you can always add in more.
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Post by Roshan on Apr 15, 2021 10:55:06 GMT -5
Good, so the consensus is he's SiTe, which I felt it would be. But he's also strikingly healthy. And we all know why he's SiTe, specifically for our purposes why Fi > Fe, but when push comes to shove, it's more challenging to articulate why Fe PolR than 'just' to know.
Thoughts?
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Post by vincent on Apr 15, 2021 11:48:17 GMT -5
but when push comes to shove, it's more challenging to articulate why Fe PolR than 'just' to know. Yes it is. At his level of health, F is F and Fe polr becomes particularly hard to see.
It's easier to see the "polr as power" aspects of it with him.
The paradox here being that Fe polr people at high health might be the most gracious and the most "vulnerable to Grace", so to speak.
Also he never loses / can't lose track that his audience is made of individuals.
They never become a mass, a wave, a vibe. So he will sometimes turn his back to the group to speak to specific people, will call some of them on an individual basis, etc. And as he tells us "he could go on and on".
Probably forever.
Leaving time and space for the group to harmonize with him isn't a natural organic thing for him. He does it, but you can feel he does it through Te self-discipline.
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Post by Roshan on Apr 15, 2021 11:59:41 GMT -5
Young Sam Oni.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2021 12:28:22 GMT -5
Isn't that just about the granularity? I think there'd be a lot of alleles, forcing a gaussian distribution on skin tones in a way that even things that aren't about the, say, saturation would be determined like that.
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Post by vincent on Apr 15, 2021 13:32:55 GMT -5
Isn't that just about the granularity? I think there'd be a lot of alleles, forcing a gaussian distribution on skin tones in a way that even things that aren't about the, say, saturation would be determined like that.
You lost me @ash
what is just about the granularity ?
which "things that aren't about the saturation" ?
determined like what ?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2021 13:55:57 GMT -5
Isn't that just about the granularity? I think there'd be a lot of alleles, forcing a gaussian distribution on skin tones in a way that even things that aren't about the, say, saturation would be determined like that.
You lost me @ash
what is just about the granularity ?
which "things that aren't about the saturation" ?
determined like what ?
I think that even though we can set a precise number for the amount of skin tones just out of convenience, they're on a spectrum, therefore there are infinite skin tones or at least such an enormous number it doesn't matter and calls for clustering.
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Post by anthony on Apr 15, 2021 14:03:37 GMT -5
I think that even though we can set a precise number for the amount of skin tones just out of convenience, they're on a spectrum, therefore there are infinite skin tones or at least such an enormous number it doesn't matter and calls for clustering. Indeed. Human traits(height, skin tone, bone structure, shape of nose, etc) vary on a continuous basis, so you can't really break humanity into discrete "races." The only fine lines to draw are arbitrary ones. I'm not even totally sure why it calls for clustering unless skin tone is the only trait you're talking about.
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Post by vincent on Apr 15, 2021 14:55:58 GMT -5
I think that even though we can set a precise number for the amount of skin tones just out of convenience, they're on a spectrum, therefore there are infinite skin tones or at least such an enormous number it doesn't matter and calls for clustering.
Yes, they're on a spectrum and there are infinite skin tones. That's the thing.
The point though, is that there is no need and no good use for any categorization based on skin tone. At all.
So no actual call for clustering. (Except maybe for a handful of geneticists who are actually looking at the alleles.)
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