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Post by vincent on Apr 12, 2021 19:21:23 GMT -5
I definitely need to watch more. I just got home.
I'll have to watch more too, and to rewatch, in some cases.
But for now i'm going to sleep on it !
tbcd.
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Post by vincent on Apr 13, 2021 17:13:12 GMT -5
So i watched (and listened) to a few more videos today. And the thing that strikes me is that most of them are all the same. Or close enough. I lost count of how many times i heard her tell the same joke about Tarzan choosing the wrong Jane.
She tells us her origin story with almost same sequence, the same words, the same tone, sometimes even the same gestures. Both in conferences and in interviews. This video is a pretty complete version of it.
But you would hear pretty much the same things in a LOT of her videos.
Of course, i guess that it's what her audience expect from "online Jane", but it's still pretty remarkable imo.
Now... i'm not sure what to do with that, typologically. But this kind of narrative « branding » kind of reminds me of some of our SeFi typees. Amy Chua, Walter Winchell, Farrage, for example.
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Post by vincent on Apr 13, 2021 17:26:39 GMT -5
But then there is this :
She spent years discovering, proving and teaching that chimps have minds, personalities, emotions, complex societies and even cultures, just like us. But then she is surprised and disappointed that they also have a "dark side". Just like us.
There is something weirdly naive here.
Something that seems outside of the scope of both gamma and beta quadra actually.
Both Ni-Se valuing quadra are usually quite aware that "dog eat dog". But chimp wouldn't ?
This irenic view of Nature, mixed with some quiet and thinly veiled misanthropy... that sounds like alphastolgia again.
It's the kind of stuff i would expect from the most rousseau-ish of delta intuitives.
tbcd.
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Post by Roshan on Apr 13, 2021 17:31:54 GMT -5
But this kind of narrative « branding » kind of reminds me of some of our SeFi typees. Amy Chua, Walter Winchell, Farrage, for example.
Not to mention Tarzana, queen of the jungle. Which is not to recast my vote for SeFi.
But for the greater goals of Science.
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Post by vincent on Apr 13, 2021 17:33:43 GMT -5
Not to mention Tarzana, queen of the jungle.
Right ! She is a quite extreme case of it indeed.
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Post by vincent on Apr 13, 2021 17:53:39 GMT -5
Anyway, it's getting late here and i better fix my sleep schedule.
Will get back to her soon !
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Post by Roshan on Apr 13, 2021 18:13:48 GMT -5
Self-dualized (fourth row heavy) creative subtype NiFe.
What Michael Pierce would be like if he had sought animals instead of ideas.
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Post by Roshan on Apr 13, 2021 18:15:19 GMT -5
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Post by Roshan on Apr 13, 2021 18:17:25 GMT -5
Also not dissimilar in affect to that dewy-eyed 'irenic' ct teacher you didn't want to be NiFe but reluctantly conceded she can't be anything but, as creative subtype vincent . That's my latest vote anyway. (She is also very very similar to Tarzana's chief toenail clipper in young videos hélas..)
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Post by Roshan on Apr 13, 2021 18:28:54 GMT -5
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Post by Roshan on Apr 13, 2021 18:35:52 GMT -5
I can certainly see why people said, or still say, SiFe--and I too was wondering about Si frame in the 'horsey set' photos post--but she's too...translucent, too...gossamer...although Fe subtype can come close...but it's different. To repeat myself, the woman is empty.
This is likewise what starts to be tempting about FiNe...why her worldview starts to resemble it too...she's...ectoplasmic...pure observer Idea. Only she put herself in the center of it all.
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Post by Roshan on Apr 13, 2021 18:58:55 GMT -5
fwiw I'm generally rather contemptuously dismissive of 'what the MBTI community says' but this one feels rights.
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Post by Roshan on Apr 13, 2021 19:22:41 GMT -5
Here she is with her mentor "You-won't-have-me-forever-get-a-degree-Jane" Leakey. She seems like vortex, field, and magnet for other people's and animals' Se.
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Post by Roshan on Apr 13, 2021 19:32:14 GMT -5
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Post by vincent on Apr 14, 2021 10:26:42 GMT -5
I can certainly see why people said, or still say, SiFe--and I too was wondering about Si frame in the 'horsey set' photos post--but she's too...translucent, too...gossamer...although Fe subtype can come close...but it's different. To repeat myself, the woman is empty. This is likewise what starts to be tempting about FiNe...why her worldview starts to resemble it too...she's...ectoplasmic...pure observer Idea. Only she put herself in the center of it all.
I agree FiNe doesn't work.
I was tempted by NeFi actually. NeFi creative subtype, with the same configuration you suggest for NiFe, dualized and heavy on the 4th row.
I was thinking she might have been seeking and finding Si rather than Se.
Putting (and grounding) herself at the origin of it all (Mother Nature, Mama Africa, literal and darwinian trees...) rather than in its center.
I find it tempting because her speeches are really very very heavy on Ne and Si. It's all Seeds and Hopes. Old anecdotes for the future generations.
She is also a Puer Aeternus, who has been following a child dream for almost a century.
and something like a Qixotic Lover, so to speak. And i could easily see this as the NeFi version of NeTi's Qixotic Fighter.
She seems light enough with Tx in general so Ti polr doesn't sound quite impossible.
Then NiFe would be her shadow/higher octave.
I find it tempting but it doesn't completely click either.
Energetically, i would expect that configuration to be more "yang" than she is.
Her Fe could be a strong integrated 6th, i guess, but Fi auxiliary doesn't sound quite right. She also seems too "monomaniacal" and hieratic for Ne frame (Ne doms can get "myopic", but it's not quite the same thing, i think).
So i think you're right and she is NiFe after all.
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