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Post by vincent on Apr 12, 2021 15:51:32 GMT -5
I don't know how much I can tread over the line, but I know who it is and I recall you arguing for her being NiFe but I'm sticking with SiFe.
Did i ? I don't remember that. And i only really looked into her very recently.
Anyway, most people seems to know who she is now.
I got to go for a bit but i'll do the reveal when i come back.
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Post by adrian on Apr 12, 2021 16:16:25 GMT -5
She looks familiar but I still can’t place who she is or where I might’ve seen her. I think I’ll stick with SeFi.
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Post by vincent on Apr 12, 2021 17:54:39 GMT -5
Ok so...
She had been on the back of my mind for a long time.
Pretty much since i developed an interest for typology, since she appears on a few "famous INFJs" lists.
I changed my mind quite a lot about her, and apparently even more than i remember.
Anyway, she came back on my radar recently when i was watching some videos about primate ethology.
So i started looking into her, searched for young pictures and watched some videos. And... she puzzled me quite a lot.
When i posted that thread, i thought she was some kind of high Se creative subtype extrovert.
I considered FeNi for a bit, and even TeNi (shortly), but i thought Si polr was too hard of a sell.
So at that point, i was torn between SeTi and SeFi.
And leaning more toward the former.
I thought she would be a tricky but interesting tyke to type.
and i was pretty sure she would end up being a good illustration of why Se is about ethological power.
now... i'm not sure anymore.
But i'll post some of the videos i watched and i'll try to explain what i saw in the pictures i posted.
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Post by anthony on Apr 12, 2021 18:02:24 GMT -5
I’ve had to cover her in my anthropology class.
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Post by vincent on Apr 12, 2021 18:25:03 GMT -5
Well, I didn't think she looked like an introvert. I thought she looked like a creative subtype extravert. She seemed stubborn. I asked myself: what kid puts their hands like that for a picture? That is a commanding adult position, it's assertive, and only secondarily introverted. It's also very posed. So even if they were told to do it, what kid does it so well? Also, there was a split in her expression not due to the shadow from the lighting. One side is sweet and soft, the other is challenging. I really would not want to argue with that kid. It felt like if she were made to pose like that, she would make the family pay. On the other hand, if she were not, she did it in part as a dare. I was torn between either Se and FeNi, with NeFi as a last resort because she seemed so very grounded. At the end I favored Se and which one was a toss-up, despite everyone else being way far from ST. I almost went with SeTi but then I thought she is too implacable, and that is my word for gamma. However 'dare' is beta so...I haven't thought about the new pictures much especially because it's possible I know who this is so I guess I better ask. Just saying what my thought process was til they went up. I did not think she was an introvert, and I thought as an extrovert she was grounded, and tough as nails behind a sweet facade.
I thought and i still think that this makes a lot of sense.
I don't know what i would have seen from this picture alone if i hadn't be already influenced by other pictures and by the videos.
But this pic (and the next two ones) reminded me of two people : my wife and my daughter.
SeTi and probably FeNi respectively. None of them extroverts. A bit softer than my wife (who isn't creative subtype btw). More rooted and less "punchy" than my daughter
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Post by vincent on Apr 12, 2021 18:38:49 GMT -5
First time I've seen the picture I thought SiFe, NeFi or FeNi (for some reason, and not related to "picture typing" onlys, dominant Si & absolutely not valuing Si females confuse me )
Well, beta extrovert women are mistyped as SiFe all the time.
That's in part because lots of them kind of try to be SiFe and to fit into a more domestic(ated) role.
And also because the matriarchal archetype is often to quickly associated with SiFe/FeSi.
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Post by vincent on Apr 12, 2021 18:45:39 GMT -5
I voted SiFe ultimately because she struck me as too much of an introvert—the child looked like she was forcing herself to remain "present" for the photo at the behest of an adult, but would've otherwise shied away.
I'm not sure i get the feeling she would've otherwise "shied away". It seems to me she would have escaped to do something else.
Knowing who she was, what i found interesting too is the fact that the dog is letting her do whatever she want.
He seems to be completely submissive to her possessive whim. I doubt i would have been able to do that with my dog when i was that age.
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Post by Roshan on Apr 12, 2021 18:46:07 GMT -5
Well, I didn't think she looked like an introvert. I thought she looked like a creative subtype extravert. She seemed stubborn. I asked myself: what kid puts their hands like that for a picture? That is a commanding adult position, it's assertive, and only secondarily introverted. It's also very posed. So even if they were told to do it, what kid does it so well? Also, there was a split in her expression not due to the shadow from the lighting. One side is sweet and soft, the other is challenging. I really would not want to argue with that kid. It felt like if she were made to pose like that, she would make the family pay. On the other hand, if she were not, she did it in part as a dare. I was torn between either Se and FeNi, with NeFi as a last resort because she seemed so very grounded. At the end I favored Se and which one was a toss-up, despite everyone else being way far from ST. I almost went with SeTi but then I thought she is too implacable, and that is my word for gamma. However 'dare' is beta so...I haven't thought about the new pictures much especially because it's possible I know who this is so I guess I better ask. Just saying what my thought process was til they went up. I did not think she was an introvert, and I thought as an extrovert she was grounded, and tough as nails behind a sweet facade.
I thought and i still think that this makes a lot of sense.
I don't know what i would have seen from this picture alonne if i hadn't be already influenced by other pictures and by the videos.
But this pic (and the next two ones) reminded me of two people : my wife and my daughter.
SeTi and probably FeNi respectively. None of them extroverts. A bit softer than my wife (who isn't creative subtype btw). More rooted and less "punchy" than my daughter
Well I think I may have been typing her dual. She may have been an extreme Se-FINDING creative subtype NiFe.
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Post by vincent on Apr 12, 2021 18:52:49 GMT -5
I originally voted SiFe, she seemed present in her body but stiff. Which looking at the later photos I think I overestimated how much of that stiffness was from her and not from being made to pose. I agree she has a commanding, or, 'tough as nails' presence as Robin put it, so I'm switching over to Se for now. Well, she is stiff until she isn't, and then she really isn't :
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Post by Roshan on Apr 12, 2021 19:00:17 GMT -5
Well, she is stiff until she isn't, and then she really isn't :
So am I. She is also in outer inner space.
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Post by vincent on Apr 12, 2021 19:04:27 GMT -5
Well I think I may have been typing her dual. She may have been an extreme Se-FINDING creative subtype NiFe.
That... may be right.
I was thinking that if she was going to be a creative subtype introvert, she would have to be a Se auxiliary one. And neither TiSe nor FiSe seemed to work.
I thought that Te polr was pretty much out of the question for someone who was behind such a big empire. But the thing is she founded it. She isn't exactly running it so...
I really don't know anymore.
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Post by vincent on Apr 12, 2021 19:06:03 GMT -5
So am I. She is also in outer inner space.
Yes, that's true. Indeed.
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Post by Roshan on Apr 12, 2021 19:06:37 GMT -5
Look, YOU told me she was largely typed NiFe, vincent . I just said she reminds me of Tarzana's lady-in-waiting (an NiFe dancer). But then when I started watching vids (before I had to go out), I was struck right away that she wanted to go into the wild since she was a child because she wanted to be in it all (I paraphrase). It really sounded like Se-seeking but wtfdoIno?And then she just went there--Leakey sent her actually--and she sat and waited. And she said the secret of her success was patience. She is in the zone. In fact, she seems empty. And how is her sitting there 'giving space' to the chimps so different from you actually? But again wtfdin? tbcd
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Post by Roshan on Apr 12, 2021 19:10:08 GMT -5
I definitely need to watch more. I just got home.
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Post by vincent on Apr 12, 2021 19:20:10 GMT -5
Look, YOU told me she was largely typed NiFe, vincent . Yes she is. But as we know a lot of those NiFe typings are mistypes. That being said, when i first saw her on those lists, i assumed it was possible, maybe even right at some point. Which is probably what Ash remembers.
All good points. I assumed that to play and move around chimps the way she does, her Se had to be stronger than inferior.
But i didn't think about found Se, let alone an extreme case of it.
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