anthony
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Post by anthony on Jan 18, 2021 3:29:10 GMT -5
I'm thinking sp/SO 5w6(4w5)-9w1(1w2)-3w4(2w3), probably TiNe. I feel confident in this overall configuration, though I think the heart fix may need tweaking. I considered 2w1, but overall, it seems like James' memo spurred largely from a place of "hyper-competency" AND an understated, undeclared, yet still present vanity in being the one to speak 'rationally' about the issue, winning over the 'irrationals.' He's also doing it in an almost soldierly fashion, indicating sp/so, but he's so...transparent, and it seems to make his thinking 'muddier,' indicating that his 9w1 fix seems especially strong. He really really reminds me of myself in many ways.
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Post by Roshan on Jan 18, 2021 19:14:47 GMT -5
Wow, James...this is such a blast from the (not distant) past. The Charlottesville Unite the Right Tikki torch demonstrations where the counterprotester girl got killed were in August 2017, the month after the Damore google memo affair hit (according to googling). The following week there were Free Speech rallies in several major cities including NYC in defense of Damore, which were oc conflated with Charlottesville. And I distinctly remember telling someone on fb who posted about counterprotesting in NYC to stay home because if you wind up getting killed you'll be dying for the wrong side; they are right about Damore. I honestly think that was the first time I took a specific stand that would be considered explicitly 'on the right'--though it's just a good ol' American liberal stance, especially since Damore's memo was about REDUCING gender disparity in hiring for high level positions. What I've been trying to figure out is 'how did I know'? I'm trying to figure it out because Peak MeToo didn't hit until October '17 and that was when I got so disgusted I searched for Camille Paglia on yt, grasping at straws desperate to find some self-declared leftist woman who wouldn't be just trashing men. And I found her recent video with a Canadian psychologist I'd never heard of...and the rest is history. So the next time I fought on facebook about Damore I was much more knowledgeable because I'd been watching people on the IDW, Sargon, etc. So...how did I even know what I knew in August? I think maybe it was because a lot of links from the Daily Caller (Carlson's rag) and the Daily Wire (Shapiro's) started being circulated on fb during the 2016 Sanders campaign because they covered Sanders much more fairly than the liberal media and maybe in the summer of '17 some folks I friended during the campaign were still linking from them. I had no idea the Caller was Carlson's and I don't think I even knew who Shapiro was before MeToo brought me to Peterson and co. yet I knew the Damore 'scandal' was total bullshit in August of '17. And then I remember posting once, why isn't the left advocating for James Damore? Aren't we supposed to protect people's rights? God I was so clueless and yet so...not... Anyway so yeah his typing...he always struck me as 531 sp/so but I never really thought about it and of course you're quite right, major duh moment there, but I'll watch the vids to see about tweaks and also go down memory lane...wow, James Damore... anthony
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Post by Roshan on Jan 18, 2021 19:25:33 GMT -5
Ah...no...wait...I think maybe what happened was I was just getting liberal left stuff about this horrible sexist racist white supremacist neo-Nazi who got fired from google because he wrote this terrible memo, a threat to society and civilization...and I was curious so I...um...googled...and I read the memo...
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anthony
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Post by anthony on Jan 18, 2021 19:46:39 GMT -5
Wow, James...this is such a blast from the (not distant) past. The Charlottesville Unite the Right Tikki torch demonstrations where the counterprotester girl got killed were in August 2017, the month after the Damore google memo affair hit (according to googling). The following week there were Free Speech rallies in several major cities including NYC in defense of Damore, which were oc conflated with Charlottesville. And I distinctly remember telling someone on fb who posted about counterprotesting in NYC to stay home because if you wind up getting killed you'll be dying for the wrong side; they are right about Damore. I honestly think that was the first time I took a specific stand that would be considered explicitly 'on the right'--though it's just a good ol' American liberal stance, especially since Damore's memo was about REDUCING gender disparity in hiring for high level positions. What I've been trying to figure out is 'how did I know'? I'm trying to figure it out because Peak MeToo didn't hit until October '17 and that was when I got so disgusted I searched for Camille Paglia on yt, grasping at straws desperate to find some self-declared leftist woman who wouldn't be just trashing men. And I found her recent video with a Canadian psychologist I'd never heard of...and the rest is history. So the next time I fought on facebook about Demore I was much more knowledgeable because I'd been watching people on the IDW, Sargon, etc. So...how did I even know what I knew in August? I think maybe it was because a lot of links from the Daily Caller (Carlson's rag) and the Daily Wire (Shapiro's) started being circulated on fb during the 2016 Sanders campaign because they covered Sanders much more fairly than the liberal media and maybe in the summer of '17 some folks I friended during the campaign were still circulating them. I had no idea the Caller was Carlson's and I don't think I even knew who Shapiro was before MeToo brought me to Peterson and co. yet I knew the Damore 'scandal' was total bullshit in August of '17. And then I remember posting once, why isn't the left talking about James Damore? Aren't we supposed to protect people's rights? God I was so clueless and yet so...not... Anyway so yeah his typing...he always struck me as 531 sp/so but I never really thought about it and of course you're quite right, major duh moment there, but I'll watch the vids to see about tweaks and also go down memory lane...wow, James Damore... anthony He doesn't seem 1 fixed. I briefly considered it too, but he seems too 'limp,' like he has to exert great effort to stand up for his own memo in order to avoid floundering and being 'swayed.' Big over-accommodator, and the fact that he even wrote the memo while being a software engineer on the autistic spectrum points to Social 9 participation, the way I see it. Energetically, he's like Quin with a 3w4 fix, and when I said he reminded me of myself in many ways, I was really speaking more towards his CT. A lot of his errors in judgement, his 'marketing' mistakes, seem like the same ones I would've made if I were in his shoes.
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Post by anthony on Jan 18, 2021 19:49:52 GMT -5
Ah...no...wait...I think maybe what happened was I was just getting liberal left stuff about this horrible sexist racist white supremacist neo-Nazi who got fired from google because he wrote this terrible memo, a threat to society and civilization...and I was curious so I...um...googled...and I read the memo... Ah. In my last post I was going to ask you "How did you know what?" but this answers that question. But yeah...honestly, I'm quite thankful that I'm not at an actual University yet where I'll likely have to be around those sorts of people. Even just reading "horrible sexist racist white supremacist neo-Nazi" when they're speaking about James Damore of all people is blood-boiling. I shouldn't even know James Damore exists.
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Post by Roshan on Jan 18, 2021 19:56:16 GMT -5
I shouldn't even know James Damore exists. Bingo.
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Post by Roshan on Jan 19, 2021 19:20:20 GMT -5
Well I watched both videos anthony and I'm actually wondering, why do we know he leads with the 5 and not the 9?
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Post by anthony on Jan 19, 2021 19:40:03 GMT -5
Well I watched both videos anthony and I'm actually wondering, why do we know he leads with the 5 and not the 9? It's genuinely funny you mention that to me, because I rewatched some of him on my own only a few hours ago and wondered the exact same thing. We don't know if it's the 5 and not the 9. In part, he really really energetically reminded me of Quin, though there are very clear differences. The main thing that made me wonder 9 is that he seems like a major over-accommodator, and he has a really poor command over words/speaking. He's quite clumsy. However, I thought this would be accounted for with 5w6(4W5), especially since he's so...ghostly. But he does not seem like a power/rejection type, really, and the whole drama suggests (at least in part) Holy Love and a 9w1ish "What? I didn't do anything wrong?!"
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Post by Roshan on Jan 20, 2021 2:01:17 GMT -5
In the second video, from the moment he starts speaking and even though he's in public, he seems markedly not head-centered. His energy is languid and seems to waft out with grounded breath. It feels to me like this.
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Post by anthony on Jan 20, 2021 2:44:23 GMT -5
In the second video, from the moment he starts speaking and even though he's in public, he seems markedly not head-centered. His energy is languid and seems to waft out with grounded breath. It feels to me like this.True, agreed. "Languid and seems to waft out with grounded breath" is an apt description of his energy.
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Post by Roshan on Jan 20, 2021 12:36:14 GMT -5
Certain moments in videos and still photos of Damore really capture his Nineness, such as this one, where he looks like your typical high social Threeish 9 jock with 6 component who majored in marketing. As someone self-described on the autistic spectrum, this distinction is very important because as a 9 with a heavy 5w6 fix, ultimately his problems with the memo stemmed not so much from his hyperfocus on one area, one slice of the Omniscience pie, as "Cartesian liners" (5/6) will do, but from what he blocked awareness of in some other area.
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Post by vincent on Jan 20, 2021 12:45:34 GMT -5
I intended to post here yesterday but i got a bit derailed by the Delta Machine madness.
I agree completely with 9w1 lead for him.
And actually, i'm wondering if he is even TiNe.
I don't see much actual Ne.
What i do see is more Si than Ti ultimately.
And the Ti i see seems more consistent with tertiary than with frame imo.
I suspect he might be a SiTi jumper instead.
Te polr canary in the biggest coal mine in the delta world.
Trying to somehow make sense of the very madness i mentioned above.
tbcd.
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Post by Roshan on Jan 20, 2021 13:08:06 GMT -5
He has Ne vincent . He takes it all in stride, things will get better, everyone should not be too hard on google, they should help it be all it can be, the future is still bright...there are many possibilities open... true he does not really riff on them but...Ni role?
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Post by Roshan on Jan 20, 2021 13:12:37 GMT -5
#2 In fact his whole memo can be seen as having instrumental Ne. He was proposing reconfiguring the organization of google to be able to change the job descriptions of the top level engineers, thus making the positions appealing to more women--such as combining the strictly engineering aspects with more interpersonal duties. He also proposed having high level tech positions that could be part-time so the women executives could have kids and social lives, etc... vincent (ps, yes I do see it's meshed with Si VVV but I think TiSi is at least a likely as SiTi, although... hmmm... )
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Post by vincent on Jan 20, 2021 13:13:16 GMT -5
He has Ne vincent . He takes it all in stride, things will get better, everyone should not be too hard on google, they should help it be all it can be, the future is still bright...there are many possibilities open... Well yes, but that's the thing, these possibilities seems to depend quite a lot on others.
Which might be seeking rather than auxiliary.
I need to watch more of him. I'm not done with the second video yet.
I'll get back to him later, hopefully tonight.
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