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Post by winter on Dec 1, 2020 20:55:31 GMT -5
So I have noticed that those who do well on social media, especially instagram are usually ESI or 379
For 379 has obvious factors that make it succeed in these spaces such as:
- 2x attachment type to know how to market what the world thinks of as cool, what is societally 'good'.
- Adequate energy, enthusiasm, weird (ish) ness to seem acceptably 'different' via 7
- 2x id Dedication, going after desire. Being generally well liked due to the upbeat/colourful/mood ring quality of 3 & 7. 3 noticing when something isn't appealing. 7 being able to change tack quickly and adjust to be more 'palatable' as such.
-9 involvement for smoothness, sensitivity, creativity,
- 3 involvement for 'achieving' dedication
- 3 and 9 linking back to 6, 7 fix usually with a 6 wing here, linking them back to triple attachment giving them relatability to the biggest audiences as most people are attachment core or at least have a lot of attachment via wings/sub wings.
However I feel like after 379 being most popular it should go to 369 Then in no particular order after that either 359 (more likely leading 3/9 269 (leading with a more balanced combination of cores) 479 (more likely lead 7/9) 279 (more balanced again) 469 (balanced?)
I may be incorrect here, but I think another type does this well (maybe best of all the 9 fixed types after 379) with less easily understood reasoning(at least for me) due to less attachment and less id . The 259 archetypes... a la bjork, aurora etc
I can argue they are still attached and still remain smooth via 9and wings to 6 or 3 but I think the 5 in 259 social media/musician types is more commonly 5w4 Maybe they allow an acceptable way to access darkness for others? Without it being off putting when speaking (primarily females) this I am aware is gliding from social media to music, where you could argue that Thom Yorke from radiohead who if I'm not mistaken is typed at 359, loops back to why I think 359 should be higher up than 259.
I can also argue that having a power type fixing makes up for some id.
However 259 is further away from 379 than 279 and 479 and has less attachment than 359/269
As by this understanding they should be one of the least successful trifixes with 9 other than 459 coming out as last (less attachment and id, triple withdrawn etc)
If anyone is interested in sharing any insights I'd be quite interested.
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Post by hiddenglass on Dec 2, 2020 4:30:17 GMT -5
So I have noticed that those who do well on social media, especially instagram are usually ESI or 379
I feel like after 379 being most popular it should go to 369 Then in no particular order after that either 359 (more likely leading 3/9) 269 (leading with a more balanced combination of cores) 479 (more likely lead 7/9) 279 (more balanced again) 469 (balanced?) I agree with you that 379a is an archetype that seems "built for success" almost, in modern western media (not even just social media), and for the reasons you gave as well
I'd rank the 9-fixed archetypes in terms of "populist celebrity viability" as
- 379a
- 369a
- 269a
- 259a
- 359a
- then the others
- then 459a last
but yeah I agree, 259a does seem to have "something" in it that gives it an edge toward success over 359a, when one would think that 359a would be the better-suited one, on paper. Perhaps it's because 2 as a fix is NOT competency, and is more forthcomingly "relational" to temper the "alienness" of a 5 fix (that is, in 259a celebrities, I'd expect to be usually) last
interesting post & observation, thanks
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Post by Roshan on Dec 3, 2020 18:11:10 GMT -5
The 359 archetype, even with added attachment and/or 8, tends to the name I wound up giving it--"Occultation and Mastery" while 259 often really wants to be 'in it' right away, whence "I'll Be Right Here", which is what ET told the children. It seems when Avarice has double line to 6/9 it wants to wait until it's really ready to reveal its work. Mastery must be masterful. Whereas with the 2 it more often (though by no means always) wants to just get it out there, to 'relate' it out. One of the things the Fauvres got right that no one else I'm aware of saw at the time was calling 359 "The Thinker" Naturally 259 can also be A thinker but double power...yeah. 259 is often quite 'ready to go'.
btw one of the things Gray got wrong was calling 259 on enneasite the sanctuary, the abbot, and the muted nurturer.. All that is due to the chronic mistyping of 2 as 4, 6, 9, 8, 1, 3, 7 in more or less that order...it's really a little absurdist, since he's the one who insisted to me vehemently e.g. that Shakira cannot be a Two because she's not intrusive or exuberant enough, doesn't have enough 'phallic thrust'....AND was the one who 'revolutionized' the field, for better and a little bit for worse, with his identifying of a wide range of Nines', correct like Anna Nicole Smith a fake 2w3; and incorrect like Clapton, a counterflow 4-fixed One....but somehow add in 5 to 2 and 9 and you'll get something somehow monkish. Sanctuary though is pretty okay, but muted..anyhoo...
btw in checking David's names I see he's publishing a book and I also see he has a pigeon up there quite prominently. I'll assume it's synchronicitous...but okay, okay, social media stars, 259 in any order does relatively well for itself in the media/tech age. 359 will often still wait and these new media aren't for waiting. I barely know Instagram but I know a lot of YouTube political and sort of social/cultural critique vloggers. I also know that Pewdie Pie is like wildly successful on yt for basically doing...er...nothing but very well...and he really seems classic 379...tbcd
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Post by Roshan on Dec 3, 2020 19:19:42 GMT -5
Oops, it's 258 that Gray had, and still has, as the Solemn Offering (258: the ascetic contributor, the abstinent participant, the solemn offering, the contemplative guardian, the devotional spartan) which...ditto as above, I mean Jerry Springer?, but okay, edited ^....
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Post by winter on Dec 4, 2020 5:03:17 GMT -5
The 359 archetype, even with added attachment and/or 8, tends to the name I wound up giving it--"Occultation and Mastery" while 259 often really wants to be 'in it' right away, whence "I'll Be Right Here", which is what ET told the children. It seems when Avarice has double line to 6/9 it wants to wait until it's really ready to reveal its work. Mastery must be masterful. Whereas with the 2 it more often (though by no means always) wants to just get it out there, to 'relate' it out. One of the things the Fauvres got right that no one else I'm aware of saw at the time was calling 359 "The Thinker" Naturally 259 can also be A thinker but double power...yeah. 259 is often quite 'ready to go'. Interesting that the 2 outward reach can often be more ‘successful’ than the 3 when combined with the 5 but I can kinda see all the attachment fixes and lines sort of knotting them up. I think it was actually a 2w3 who first informed me about how I should be going to acoustic/open mic nights...literally didn’t know they existed. She is a very ‘I’ll be right here’ person tbf but I don’t know her head fix, could be 5 could be ti. I’ll think about this more. Ty.
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Post by winter on Dec 4, 2020 5:16:18 GMT -5
but yeah I agree, 259a does seem to have "something" in it that gives it an edge toward success over 359a, when one would think that 359a would be the better-suited one, on paper. Perhaps it's because 2 as a fix is NOT competency, and is more forthcomingly "relational" to temper the "alienness" of a 5 fix (that is, in 259a celebrities, I'd expect to be usually) last interesting post & observation, thanks [/font][/quote] I could see this. I do think the 2-9 make it palatable, less...perhaps less cold than some of the 359a I have been shown. Thus potentially ‘the good kinda weird’ that *not* weird people like to observe. Especially like you said when 5 is last. Good observation. Despite that the 259a non confirmed tritype study hall has a lot of pretty awkward or unattractive vibes from what I’ve checked out so far, which is interesting given that 2 is supposedly meant to give a higher, I would have thought there would be more seductive vibes going on would carry through regardless of placement. As most of the examples were 2-9. Maybe a lot of them have sexual 6 fixes, 7 seems like a generally attractive type as a fix... I’ve essentially walked myself in a circle replying to this but ty for your comment I hope this is not completely incomprehensible.
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Post by Roshan on Dec 4, 2020 18:58:41 GMT -5
Don't forget Naranjo called social Two "Ambition" and Eli called it "The Star", so it's really no surprise Two will be successful in the social media age. What is surprising is how, similar to how despite the more than clear literature on sx 6 E6 got an all-around rep as drab, most of the E-community managed to be so willfully blind about Two for so long. Marilyn and Dolly would cover what the literature actually said about Six and Two while Six joined the military and Two sent it homemade cookies. (Also sprach all the 478 luminaries... ) But I think the biggest issue here really is with the synergy of Two and Three with Five in the cyber age. 359 is still a successful tritype, because 3 'must produce'; it's just that social media isn't really about production per se, it's about pushing your way through. And that's not what Five normally does, it really waits until it has mastery to show its hand. I think you're going to find way more successful 359s in say research science than 259s, though 2w1 tends to share the intellectual, precision, and categorizing bent of E1. But Two is just so 'relational' and social media offers the possibility to just...jump in and start relating.
As to whether the seductiveness of Two tempers the disembodiment of Five, I'd say it does. People just don't realize how awkward 5w6 Elon Musk actually is when his sx 2w1 last charms an audience. You have to look closely.
But there are a couple of other aspects to all this: first of all the seductiveness of sp Two tends to be 'pre-sexual'; it really needs other factors to pull out the va va va voom of the sx/so-Two correlation. (And Lana del Rey has this with her sx 6 onstage, but not off). So when you have three syndromes together--5 peer from behind the sofa, 9 extended pregnancy, kick but don't deliver, and sp 2 play with dolls to be a doll syndromes--you can have something very unlike how people normally think of seduction. And yet it still seduces in its own way.
The other issue is we're still in the process of finding more Twos now that we understand it so much better. And I'm pretty sure I found one recently who...well, I'll post a thread.
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Post by winter on Mar 5, 2021 3:28:06 GMT -5
Re reading your last comment makes a lot of sense You’re right about the literature with 6/2 not really, listening much... or if not the literature, the ‘community’ of people interested in the enneagram
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