adrian
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Post by adrian on Dec 3, 2020 12:30:27 GMT -5
My results 49% ISTP 15% INTP 15% ISTJ 3% ENTP 3% ESTJ
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Post by Roshan on Dec 3, 2020 14:09:42 GMT -5
What? No F type for adrian? That's a bit...extreme. How could that happen? Any ideas, Adrian, vincent? anyone?
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Post by vincent on Dec 3, 2020 14:40:24 GMT -5
What? No F type for adrian ? That's a bit...extreme. How could that happen? Any ideas, Adrian, vincent ? anyone?
Well, i guess this is in part because these tests almost completely miss the deliberating nature of Fi. And with Ti role, Fi dom are "double deliberators", so to speak. Gamma sphinxes, in particular, are unlikely to relate to this vision of F being all about mercy and hugging. They won't answer those F vs T questions, which are massively biased toward (alpha-ish) Fe, in the way they are expected to.
In this case and for example, i suspect Adrian answered those "fair vs good" questions the same way you do. And by doing so, she get detected as a T type.
On the other hand, adrian definitely should get a high Fi score on Sarkinova function test.
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Post by Roshan on Dec 3, 2020 15:01:21 GMT -5
Yes medication changes and improvement in overall level of dissociation from the world compared to say when my typing video was out (you can actually see it there, I watched the intro the other day to show jazz and I was shocked at how foggy I was) has created quite a contrast. If that’s the way you’re seeing it? If not I’d be interested to know the difference. Not just the fogginess (and not just in the video) but the compensatory over-Ti'ing that went with it, it was very emotionally tinged but at the same time would get kinda 'brain in a jar' iykwim. Which is something I associate with an overactive Ti role in FiNe (though I'm far from a 'ct expert', at least not yet ).All I'll say atm about your ct is both T's seem too good for either to be PolR, as Te would be in NiFe, or inferior, as it would be in FiNe. Beyond that I'm just reluctant to impose anything on you yet even by suggestion, remembering all those hoops you jumped through with the e-type on ET. I would prefer you just reveal yourself organically for a bit. p.s. Yes, the difference is obvious winter , and the better meds, this is very good news.
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Post by Roshan on Dec 3, 2020 18:42:58 GMT -5
I'm withholding my formal opinion on your type until I understand Fe v Fi better. At this point what I consider to be the true nature of "the Fs" is the murkiest thing for me within JCT Not just you, everybody needs to think about this. And even if someone understands it better than anyone else in the whole wide world they still need to be able to articulate it better to other people. Soooo.... just pulled this up from bucket list fallen down the well...
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adrian
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Post by adrian on Dec 7, 2020 18:13:06 GMT -5
What? No F type for adrian ? That's a bit...extreme. How could that happen? Any ideas, Adrian, vincent ? anyone? Yeah the results were weird, I'm not quite sure what to make of it. Vincent summed up the reasons why these results did occur. I've never scored high on ESTJ and ENTP. Ever. ISTP makes some sense since that's my business partner and I have Ti role. ISTJ is not too crazy if we're just looking at MBTI dichotomies sans functions. But still.... High Je and Ji, especially as frame, could account for the Jness. As a corollary, Pi and Pe frame would probably lend themselves to xxxP. Not a hard fast rule, but more like a possible and loose correlation. In socionics, the introverted acronyms are switched to account for the frame -> ISFP/ FiSe/ESI = ISF j (lowercase j), INFJ/ NiFe/IEI = INF p (lowercase p). But wherefore lack of F? I don't doubt Fi frame for myself. I'm not one to think F = high affectivity/emotionality. I agree with and will expand on Vincent's point on Fi's deliberation. Since Fi is on an axis with Te, I process deliberation as dialectic between myself and the world, more specifically how I'm situated in the world and finding methods on how to assess myself. My internal working is something like this: unlike the Ti castle or web, it is similar to tetris - the building blocks are always crumbling and building, forever in media res, but the skeleton/guiding principle is essentially there. There may be different ways to stack the blocks but there's always the best, most impactful, and most efficient way to stack them (Te seeking and Se tool) in way that helps me to effectively interface with the world. Affect-wise, and with the aid of medications, I'm not very emotional. I seek (and the operative word is seek) a reasonable synthesis of subjectivity and objectivity: a synthesis between I how I feel and think about the world and what the reality of the world is and how to successfully navigate it. A huge part of this process is a suspension of and detachment from my perspective, though with Ne polr and my general self-absorption that's not always successful, and I get ensconced in my own POV. Regardless, there's a metacognitive analysis of my thoughts and feelings and this is what the "double deliberation" is describing. The analysis can be structured like this: 1. First order: the feelings and thoughts themselves. 2. Second order: the thoughts and feelings about the first order. 3. Third order: The synthesis of 1 and 2. 4. Fourth order: Operationalizing the synthesis. With unhealthy Fi (and Ti even), 1 and 2 can go into an infinite regress, and I wonder if this especially true with jumpers.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2020 23:00:34 GMT -5
34%ENFP 17%INTP 16%INFP 6%ESFP 6%ISTP
Intimacy, inspiration, independence. I'm all about those Is
Second time around
39%ISFP 24%INFP 7%ENFP 7%ISFJ 7%ISTP
Still favoring intimacy, but now also experience!
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