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Post by Roshan on Nov 2, 2020 15:36:27 GMT -5
Nice! Okay, first thoughts... I consider my (and by extension this board's) hyperfocus on typing of exemplars to be an onerous task, largely grunt work that I wouldn't have to be doing but for the 9-->3 (lateral 3, not high 3) swashbuckling sloth billboarding entrenched in the E. world (and by extension, or rather as a manifestation of, the modern spiritual/human potential movements E. of P. came from). In a field where Jim Morrison and Bob Dylan (archetypal high sx Sixes according to all seminal teachers' descriptions) must be 4, 5, or 7 so 'experts' can be 4/5/7+8 and have a spittoon made of other types where they can dispose of their own despised narcissistic traits , there was just no point in using the system as it was. But it shouldn't have been that way so in a sense I see myself as cleaning up a mess other people shouldn't have left. A lot of good work was done on the old eidb board (which was Don's project that he didn't participate on, but they were only just starting to get over the high school cool kids club approach when Don died and Russ managed to lose the board. So typical bite the bullet 1-fixed non-social last Six (albeit social middle just barely but still...) 'committed worker' stuff. Somebody's gotta do it. Then with the recent inclusion of cognitive type (by which I mean all the ct systems, which obviously should all be unified as we have striven to unify the various schools of thought on E. with a lot of success), well--wash, rinse, repeat. Then, as an Ni dom (and especially as a 'jumper' NiFi) in a sense I don't have so much reasons for what I do as callings to what is to be done. I don't really process 'information' sequentially and I don't perceive things as discrete bits and bytes but holistically. And also it very often seems like/is that (choose your poison) thoughts think through me far more than I think them. Which makes the focus on the minutiae we're involved in here all the more onerous to me, but then on the other hand it also starts to be a something like practicing the scales and studying the theory and learning the repertoire to play one's part on one's instrument in one giant symphony. And so it is onerous, so so what, Ars Gratia Artis...I just wish I hadn't also had to spend so much time repairing and tuning the damn piano. There are much more interesting things to do with these systems than still having to figure out the Two stackings because despite Naranjo's clarifying sp 2 in 2003, no one wanted to see it. So sad and sensitive, Lana del Rey, clearly a Four. The list goes on. Why did I even have to figure that out by myself and fight tooth and nail for it too? But at the end of the day I do what I'm called to do and I don't question why. And why don't I, well the answer may be in the lyrics to this song (which are posted below the vid). This I suppose could be called Holy Faith. It's been a long haul but that must be what it is. So thanks Oscar, Claudio, Don, Eli...Eli you're now the only one left standing...all deeply flawed, all many mistakes, but then as Six core it's my task (among others) to redeem the Father... btw oc the lyrics to that song are very, very 4/5 line too. But at the end of the day E-wise I'm a Six so it isn't primarily, primordially about omniscience or origin. It's first and foremost for me simply about faith, about having the courage to have faith. And I am the reasons. Not the questions. Not the answers. The air. Okay so, so why I do also all these E-exemplars. So other people can similarly move from the passion to the virtue and from the fixation to the holy idea...but that can't happen if they can't even know their basic type. Oh and speaking of the redemption of the Father, the hero's journey, how are people doing on The Wasteland?
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Post by Roshan on Nov 2, 2020 16:33:29 GMT -5
I don't have so much reasons for what I do as callings to what is to be done.... the answer may be in the lyrics to this song... And I am the reasons. Not the questions. Not the answers. The air...
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Post by vincent on Nov 2, 2020 16:35:17 GMT -5
I'm a bit overloaded work and stuff right now, but i'll reply here soon.
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Post by hiddenglass on Dec 3, 2020 5:40:33 GMT -5
An excerpt from this thread from earlier this year below, which I think itself serves as a decent response to this:I can't say enough that this is a work that will never and should never be done. There can never be more than tendencies and trends. A person is very complex. I think this alone is a very important precept to maintain. My desire isn't far from this.
To have a two-pronged approach whereby sound theory, richly articulated, undergirds a variety of exemplars, viscerally representing the types In Living Technicolor. Learning the E experientially.
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