adrian
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Enneagram Core Fix: 2w1
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Post by adrian on Sept 28, 2020 15:46:46 GMT -5
I agree with Roshan's, Amy's, and anthony's assessment of TiSe/Beta. Varg's return to simplicity is a call for to return to a time when men and women were stronger, more independent, and operated on a purity of intent. To a time before people were castrated and soften by the trappings of modernity. I don't know if it's a call for primitivism but rather for modern men and women to reclaim values and ideals that prefigured modernity and Christianity. Values that saw a nobility in strength and purity of intent (straightforwardness in living). I can imagine him thinking that modern liberal democratic values (@0:27-0:33) weaken, distract, and stupify the modern man.
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Post by vincent on Sept 29, 2020 13:28:23 GMT -5
Thank you all for your input !
My very first typological impression for him (when i was still on twfp and not yet on ET) was SeTi.
For reasons pretty similar to those exposed by Anthony.
Obvious focus on power and obvious Se themes in general.
An use of Ti that seemed to be just that : instrumental. Something like "shepherding", that seemed consistent with Fe agenda. An eschatological/apocalyptical/conspiratorial perspective that seemed consistent with Ni seeking gone wrong.
Maybe more importantly, the whole "they (think they) control us, but we only have to stop and the game is over" thing seemed consistent with Te 6th (and lot of it). Something like a weaponized universal solution. A remarkably "practical" btw.
It also seemed to me that, for someone who is prophetizing the end of the (civilized)world, he was doing it, relatively speaking, without much fuss and drama, and seemed pretty "relaxed" about it, lacking actual gravitas. (This specific aspect might not be very obvious in this video, but i still think it's there to an extent.) This again seemed consistent with Fi polr.
But i felt something was wrong with that SeTi typing.
Duality with me seemed off. It didn't felt quite right energetically either. He seemed to display too much Se (as if he was posturing or pushing it) and at the same to process not enough of it (no real analysis of concrete power situations, very generic Se, so to speak) to be Se dom.
Still, his Se seemed to be absolutely valued, not quite auxiliary. And he didn't strike me as an actual introvert either.
So i moved it to Se role, which also allowed me to keep Te 6th/Ti aux and Fi polr/Fe agenda.
So from that point on, i thought he was NeTi.
A Ne dominant hobo, Dreamland and dreamtime escapist.
A Si seeking neo-primitivist, longing for a rooted, simpler life.
an Alpha posturing in the wolf clothes of Beta.
with a pseudo-visionary, apocalyptical NiTe shadow.
Now, i'm not sure anymore. And i suspect Robin might very well be right that he is TiSe creative subtype.
I will try to adress the points you guys made now (and probably will give some background info in the process)
tbcd
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Post by Roshan on Sept 29, 2020 13:47:32 GMT -5
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Post by vincent on Sept 29, 2020 13:48:58 GMT -5
" I imagine that for him, "simpler living" is "primitive living."
Yes he does.
It's hard to know how serious or propagandist he really is about a global civil war turning the whole world into Syria. But he is serious enough about primitive living.
Nowadays, he lives in the middle of nowhere in rural France, in an autonomous permaculture farm.
He homeschool his many kids. And an internet line is probably his main concession to modernity.
And given the "pagan occultist" context, it's not just about prepping for the collapse. And it's also about being true to "our forebears".
When he speak in the video about "the Traditional Man", you can bet it has capitalized letters in his mind, and those words have both anthropological (as in "traditional societies of hunter-gatherers") and esoterical resonances (as in "the Tradition", René Guenon style).
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Post by vincent on Sept 29, 2020 13:49:58 GMT -5
I agree that this is a VERY strong and compelling argument !
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Post by Roshan on Sept 29, 2020 13:51:31 GMT -5
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Post by Roshan on Sept 29, 2020 13:53:18 GMT -5
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Post by Roshan on Sept 29, 2020 13:54:55 GMT -5
That Se is coming out of nowhere. Ti frame. Empty. Abstraction.
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Post by Roshan on Sept 29, 2020 13:56:45 GMT -5
The older Varg is shadowing in TeSi with Se demo, hence more 'rough hewn'. Which makes him seem NeTi (though not in the video here so much) but...
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Post by Roshan on Sept 29, 2020 13:57:42 GMT -5
That is not the open wide eyed wonder of Ne frame, not even shadowing. That is Ti.
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Post by Roshan on Sept 29, 2020 13:58:25 GMT -5
Ti abstraction to Ni doom on the Se/Si express.
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Post by vincent on Sept 29, 2020 14:00:56 GMT -5
That Se is coming out of nowhere. Ti frame. Empty. Abstraction.
Yeah, and with the conjunction of Se subtype and a very heavy Si 6th in full shadow mode, it explains why his Se can seem both very obvious and almost eclipsed.
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Post by vincent on Sept 29, 2020 14:01:59 GMT -5
Ti abstraction to Ni doom on the Se/Si express.
Yes, Se/Si express indeed. Extreme expediency of auxiliary.
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Post by Roshan on Sept 29, 2020 14:02:17 GMT -5
It also seemed to me that, for someone who is prophetizing the end of the (civilized)world, he was doing it, relatively speaking, without much fuss and drama, and seemed pretty "relaxed" about it, lacking actual gravitas.
Ti frame 'lack of affect'.
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Post by vincent on Sept 29, 2020 14:05:47 GMT -5
Ti frame 'lack of affect'.
Right, but it's also the considerable amount of Fe seeking/peacocking that tone down a lot his Fi role.
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