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Post by vincent on Sept 23, 2020 16:17:52 GMT -5
This will probably be the first term of a serie.
But i'm not going to say much more for now because i would like people input, uninfluenced and unadulterated, first.
So this will be our first Beast : Varg Vikernes
What cognitive type do you think he is ? And why ?
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Post by Roshan on Sept 23, 2020 16:51:02 GMT -5
Well, vincent , whatever ct he is, he's in full shadow mode so that adds a layer of complexity to the whole discusson. So I guess you want us to refrain from finding out more about him and to just use this video for now? |
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Post by vincent on Sept 24, 2020 5:33:52 GMT -5
Well, vincent , whatever ct he is, he's in full shadow mode so that adds a layer of complexity to the whole discusson. So I guess you want us to refrain from finding out more about him and to just use this video for now?
Well, complete refrainment might be a bit too much to ask.
Some people might already know some sutff about him. Others might have intuitions or suspicions they will want to check.
But yes, I suspect a lot of his type, if not all, is right there in this video.
It might not be enough to arrive at a consensus on his type, but it should at least be enough to clarify the terms of the problem.
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Post by Roshan on Sept 24, 2020 8:30:10 GMT -5
Some people might already know some sutff about him. Yeah well I guess we all know he's on a thread called Type The Beast.  |
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Post by anthony on Sept 25, 2020 15:58:27 GMT -5
I'm going to go with SeFe.
Throughout the whole video, he pretty much conveys an almost caricatural view, or vision, about current circumstances that's intended to mobilize people into action and defiance, which struck me as Se/Ni axis with Se in the first two slots. He states the objective, unfiltered reality of the situation as he sees it, and addresses everyone watching as "ladies and gentleman," as if he 'jumped' a Ti commensurability analysis and sought to influence the emotional atmosphere of the entire audience.
He emphasizes simpler living and the unsustainability of a society in which life is not simple(?), though he doesn't seem to be really emphasizing "simpler living" as in, the ease, predictability, and satisfaction that comes with it. It's all about mobilizing others to maintain their own power and independence, despite the difficulty of "less comfortable living." I imagine that for him, "simpler living" is "primitive living."
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Post by Roshan on Sept 25, 2020 23:01:19 GMT -5
He's too rigid and unspontaneous for Se frame, even in full shadow mode. His collapsing of Ni into simplistic good/evil binaries reminds me of the Ni agenda of an unhealthy FiSe i know, so it could be TiSe creative subtype. When his face relaxes it reminds me of K's. This could possibly be a lot of Fe seeking/peacocking (the collective) through a complex to simplistic (Ti-->low health Ni agenda) worldview creation, with Si 'disease demo'. Likelihood of TiSe creative > SeTi.
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Post by Roshan on Sept 25, 2020 23:06:33 GMT -5
btw he also has the straightforward, unaffected by, monotone yet harmonious voice typical of Ti frame.
Figuring out (first slot Ti) how to find depth meaning (third slot Ni) via force of power (second slot Se burning down churches e.g.) in search of the collective (fourth slot Fe). TeSi shadow mode--concretize and simplify everything; an efficiency expert of Kingdom Come; it must and will happen soon. He will steer the organization that implements it. Devil's bureaucrat. Something Warhol to all this too--the Judenfrei agrarian Utopia will be his 'Factory'. No single person in it will be real, but the Enterprise will be transcendent.
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Post by Roshan on Sept 25, 2020 23:17:37 GMT -5
I'm going to go with SeFe. as if he 'jumped' a Ti commensurability analysis and sought to influence the emotional atmosphere of the entire audience. Not jumped. Shadowed to Te protocol-based efficiency presentation. |
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Post by Roshan on Sept 25, 2020 23:24:48 GMT -5
Zero tolerance of ambiguity also typical of unhealthy TiSe. Kind of a doomsday version of Styx, who likewise practices pagan occultism but is healthy enough not to mix it with his politics ever. I would assume at some point in his journey he did tho. enneaforum.freeforums.net/post/2636/threadBut Styx isn't creative subtype, Beast is much heavier on Se. Still TiSe tho, not SeTi. That's my vote for now vincent! |
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Post by vincent on Sept 26, 2020 4:52:31 GMT -5
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Post by Amy on Sept 26, 2020 9:24:31 GMT -5
Ti speaking style makes sense. Definitely Se power over Ne, and 'this will be our final destination as a civilization' of Ni agenda/ Ne PoLR. I'm still considering SeTi as a possibility though, but that's my first impression.
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Post by Roshan on Sept 28, 2020 14:18:59 GMT -5
Well, so far all I had done was read the wiki article but since this is going so slowly I peeked at photos and when younger he resembled K. very very very much so I am sticking to and doubling down on TiSe creative subtype atm. I think two more people are giving input soon and I guess Amy is still deciding, and then I am very curious as to what vincent will have to say. |
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Post by vincent on Sept 28, 2020 14:35:24 GMT -5
Meanwhile i've been trying to find back some of the material i did watch when i made my first hypothesis about his type.
Turns out almost all of it is gone. Deleted several times from Youtube. And not even available on Bitchute at the moment.
There was, iirc, more than a thousand videos on his main channel...
If we are going to type more of those Beasts, we will have to move faster indeed and save the materials at every step of the way.
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Post by Roshan on Sept 28, 2020 15:41:00 GMT -5
vincent here's a stash someone made of a lot of his work that has both music and talking vids. Maybe you'll recover some of what you're looking for. archive.is/Se01B
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Post by vincent on Sept 28, 2020 15:46:25 GMT -5
Oh yes, most likely.
There is a LOT of stuff on this one.
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