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Post by Roshan on Sept 14, 2020 13:49:19 GMT -5
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Post by Roshan on Sept 14, 2020 13:49:51 GMT -5
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Post by Roshan on Sept 14, 2020 13:51:13 GMT -5
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Post by Roshan on Sept 15, 2020 12:51:48 GMT -5
hmmm....sooo...in the second article on what is Ni: I picture IV as elements:sp - groundsx - firesoc - airHence,sp/sx is a dirt dome with a flickering flame held inside itsx/so is an fiery tornado, burning everything in its pathso/sp is a sort of thin yet heavy air, like when one struggles to breathe properly on a mountainetc. First of all, s/he doesn't picture it this way on her own though s/he seems to imply s/he does. This exact kind of conceptualization comes straight out of eidb, and David Gray really pushed the envelope with it for his stacking theory there, and then on his enneasite and I'm sure also on Enneagrammer. Those ideas were widely circulated. Earth, air and fire are very standard by now for the instincts (and I very much doubt eidb was the first place they were noticed) and the particular iterations s/he chooses for the stacking are fine but nothing special if you know about it. The significant thing in this article is the putting different schools of thought together. If s/he's Ni dom she's Te subtype but pretty sure she's TeNi or maybe something else. This flashing symbols around like static categories in and of themselves self-promotionally is very instrumental intuiton. It's actually the reason why Gray is stuck in the past like Norma Desmond in Sunset Boulevard with Big Hormone Enneagram as his Mr. DeMille. (Though he is definitely creative subject; this one not so sure). btw the lack of attribution here also reminds me a lot of Sam Vaknin (though he's improved on that front lately) so yeah, it could be Si Polr. The category mania from the get go in the article is another issue though and it seems like a lot of categorization for Si PolR, no? But the material is still better than overripe grapes. S/he ends with some tag about her "fake Ti". That's odd. You'd think at that level of expertise s/he'd know about slots. Okay, there's more to it but these things really stick out to me and I wanted to get them 'out of my system.'  |
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Post by Roshan on Sept 15, 2020 13:20:41 GMT -5
Oh, something else here: so/sp is a sort of thin yet heavy air, like when one struggles to breathe properly on a mountainThis is someone very antagonistic to so/sp. So yeah it could be Si PolR, and probably from a pretty young person too. The irony though is the cumulative effect of all that Te with Ni second billboarding (if that's what it is) winds up being its own brand of something like Si-so/sp, I guess with its Ne demo claim of 'authorship'. Now there's an image for you...how Ne 'flag planted' on (presumably) unexplored territory becomes its own brand of Si. The flag planted on Antartica terra incognita is still...a flag. On a stick. Representing 'the nation'. I struggle to breathe during some of this article... |
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Post by Roshan on Sept 15, 2020 13:44:29 GMT -5
"Ni does indeed feel the need to adapt to these future events, and thus makes plans for it, but is often incredibly glorified as a grand scheme of what the future holds, when in reality it can be something as small-scale as mapping out the fastest pathway to a friend's house. This process is automatic, and becomes second nature to do, often slowly becoming background noise for the Ni user. Again, in developing Se, Ni can extract more "raw" and reliable information to base its predictions on, and thereby becoming increasingly accurate and visionary. This principle works in tandem with cone theory, where Ni automatically disregards improbable/impossible outcomes of a situation, and the user is left with just the conclusion."  No way Ni frame. This seems all about Te plus a focus on minutiae. Fastest pathway to a friend's house?...I hate to say this but...does TeSi with cph Ni PolR seem possible vincent ? |
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Post by vincent on Sept 15, 2020 13:49:07 GMT -5
btw the lack of attribution here also reminds me a lot of Sam Vaknin (though he's improved on that front lately) so yeah, it could be Si Polr. The category mania from the get go in the article is another issue though and it seems like a lot of categorization for Si PolR, no? But the material is still better than overripe grapes. S/he ends with some tag about her "fake Ti". That's odd. You'd think at that level of expertise s/he'd know about slots. Okay, there's more to it but these things really stick out to me and I wanted to get them 'out of my system.'
I agree TeNi is very likely.
And it goes beyond lack of attribution imo. While she is trying to present and explain Jung's Ni, she summons Freud and his preconscious.
And then she says "In spite of the overall invalidity of Freud, this idea in particular is useful in deciphering an aspect of Ni" Now that's a lot of authority...
It certainly sounds like Ne 6th/Si polr. With Te frame.
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Post by Roshan on Sept 15, 2020 13:49:40 GMT -5
The understanding of what 'visionary' means seems to be specifically limited to practical future plans. Envisioning outcomes only. While billboarding unusually concretized yet generic 'Ni' images. sp/sx is a dome with a flame in it. Not just any structure but neither a specific nor an evocative one either.
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Post by Roshan on Sept 15, 2020 13:55:34 GMT -5
In that case the apparent disdain for so/sp--Si would be related to overuse (aka weaponization) of sixth, Se, 'display of strength'. A couple of TeSi's spring to mind...
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Post by vincent on Sept 15, 2020 13:57:03 GMT -5
"Ni does indeed feel the need to adapt to these future events, and thus makes plans for it, but is often incredibly glorified as a grand scheme of what the future holds, when in reality it can be something as small-scale as mapping out the fastest pathway to a friend's house. This process is automatic, and becomes second nature to do, often slowly becoming background noise for the Ni user. Again, in developing Se, Ni can extract more "raw" and reliable information to base its predictions on, and thereby becoming increasingly accurate and visionary. This principle works in tandem with cone theory, where Ni automatically disregards improbable/impossible outcomes of a situation, and the user is left with just the conclusion." No way Ni frame. This seems all about Te plus a focus on minutiae. Fastest pathway to a friend's house?...I hate to say this but...does TeSi with cph Ni PolR seem possible vincent ?
Hmm. i'm not sure cph Ni polr would be enough.
But maybe with TeNe jumper configuration.
It could explain both the "demonstrative" flavor of the Ne and the polrish Si.
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Post by Roshan on Sept 15, 2020 13:57:42 GMT -5
As I said, "it seems like a lot of categorization for Si PolR, no?"
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Post by vincent on Sept 15, 2020 13:59:06 GMT -5
In that case the apparent disdain for so/sp--Si would be related to overuse (aka weaponization) of sixth, Se, 'display of strength'. A couple of TeSi's spring to mind...
True. And those classically mistype as INTJs.
And when they don't, interestingly enough, they mistype as ENTPs.
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Post by Roshan on Sept 15, 2020 13:59:20 GMT -5
Hmm. i'm not sure cph Ni polr would be enough.
But maybe with TeNe jumper configuration.
It could explain both the "demonstrative" flavor of the Ne and the polrish Si.
No, it can't be jumper. There is way too much literalism and categorization. Not enough for what? |
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Post by vincent on Sept 15, 2020 14:09:32 GMT -5
to explain at the same time
-the demonstration of authority. The Ne flag planting.
-And the apparent inconsistency in the Si.
I agree there is a lot of literalism and categorizations. But there is also a lot of unattributed borrowing and some "discarding" of sources.
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Post by Roshan on Sept 15, 2020 14:10:00 GMT -5
This is how s/he ends the article on Four. I assume s/he ends all the type articles with recommendations for growth:
Notice when you move from reality into fantasy. What is in your fantasy world that is not in your real world? What emotions do you feel there? Spend some time in your imagination.
Now breathe deeply into your belly. Feel your body. Pay attention to your feet, your legs, how your body is supported by the floor or the chair. Now breathe deeply into your chest, into your heart space. What emotions do you feel now? Try to discern your real feelings from your imagined feelings.
And again, as I said what's really good about these articles, and why I recommended them and the site, is how they tie together the various traditions. This 4 article is the first one I've ever seen that successfully incorporates Ichazo's over-analyzer into the now standard understanding of E4. But it's still basically a Te process (overanalyzer + feelings = overanalyzer of feelings) and it's still about these traditions. That, the traditions, is their strong suit. And then suddenly so anti-so/sp. This is the kind of thing TeSi's who fancy themselves tremendous innovators do...
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. Some basic misconceptions and too broad strokes but also some very good stuff.
