anthony
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Post by anthony on Aug 23, 2020 21:50:37 GMT -5
I found a youtube channel with a bunch of clips, long and short, from him interacting with people while he livestreamed himself at home: www.youtube.com/channel/UCNExlMBRXxM8UrHsMJ2Z9FwI know Robin and I both agreed upon Sp/Sx 3w4 lead a few months ago. Watching the livestreams, this does still seem to hold up. However, there seems to be something about him that's very...fundamentally innocent, in some way, not as insidious or 'dawning danger' as he's portrayed. This makes me question Sp/Sx, but I think it could be the range(SP/sx-->So/Sp) and/or a strong 9w1(1w2) fix coming from somewhere. He seems dreamily idealistic and surprisingly vulnerable in a lot of his livestreams in a way that seems more on the 'lacking in guile'/convinced of his well-intentioned innocence on the "casual" 9w1 side than I've seen with 1w9. That, or he WANTS to be 'kind' and can't muster it from within. Though, I'm not sure of the gut fix. I'm also not completely sure of the leading subwing on the 3. He strikes me as 3w4(2w3) - "all that glitters is gold" until it isn't, and with a big histrionic struggle between pride and shame. There seems to movement into the superegoic host space, hence the livestreams. He also seems to lack the integration of the idea that there's something fundamentally nonredeemable/flawed within him that I've seen usually come with the (4w5) subwing. My current take is: SP/sx 3w4(2w3)-9/1(1/2)-7w6(6w5). Thoughts?
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Post by anthony on Aug 23, 2020 21:50:55 GMT -5
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Post by Roshan on Aug 24, 2020 4:53:32 GMT -5
Well, first of all anthony , iirc I conceded 7 reluctantly having said he's 5w6 fix and without our really researching him. But he seems to me 5w6 fixed a.f. here so start with that? You may indeed be confusing 9 positive attitude 'Feed me'--along with sp/sx 'I'm eating'--with Gluttony fixation.
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Post by Roshan on Aug 24, 2020 5:11:05 GMT -5
He also seems Level 7 doing chin ups at the shock point to 6--Dishonest Opoortunist in a dissociative 3/9 loop with Denying Doormat, together with Isolated Nihilist trying to provoke (5 Level 6) to illicit a reaction (and he sure did) by promoting himself (3 L6) negatively because this is the way life is (9 L6 fatalism), it's a dog eat dog world out there, seems to work. He does seem to have relatively little conscious anger and what there is seems more provocative (5) than retaliatory (1); what he has is the power strivings. All it takes for 359 to act like 358 Deal With the Devil is a little nudge from the 5's line to 8 (if there is a significant 8 component in the 9 that helps too). With 3 leading a dip in health helps just as much. Another thing, he's very heavy sp. SP/so actually seems not entirely out of the question. That stacking tends to be kind of...goofy and clueless. Bumbling. Like Mr. Magoo. He may be low social second and was just getting the conflicting social cues about the role of pharmaceuticals and pricing wrong in an autistic-ish but Vanity-driven thirst to be himself 'valued'.
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Post by Roshan on Aug 24, 2020 5:22:53 GMT -5
From the relatively little I knew of him I always found Shkreli to be less ominous than he was portrayed. I felt that he genuinely felt he was being scapegoated, which meant that it had to be true in some way. It seemed like there was some huge misunderstanding on some fundamental level for some reason. Shkreli did not ring the 'evil' bell for me. A 3/9 dissociative loop with very low social on a do-gooder 3 may have been at the root of it. He may have consciously felt that because pharmaceuticals are actually given on a need basis to people who contact the company and a lot of the money was being invested in research, that he was doing what he was supposed to do--gouge to give so to say.
With a certain competitive thrill-seeking in seeing just how much he could gouge. But that thrill-seeking doesn't give him a 7 fix. Head is almost certain to be 5w6. He's not spontaneous, has zero 'vaseline-like charm' (Naranjo), he's autistic-ish and even has the classic mechanical 5w6 voice.
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Post by Roshan on Aug 24, 2020 6:38:27 GMT -5
Seven is inherently seductive. There is a sensuality to it. This is because, being next to Lust, Gluttony uses other people as objects of stimulation and that stimulation always has an erotic component to it.This is the opposite of what Shkreli shows imo. He's awkward with people. He doesn't quite 'get' yoomins. While Seven does, almost literally. Seven 'captures' (captivates) people.
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Post by Roshan on Aug 24, 2020 12:04:56 GMT -5
btw, as different as they are (and they are very different), I find Kamala Harris' facial expressions to be at times very similar to Shkreli's. My typing for her is so/sp 3w4(2w3)-9w8(1w9)-6w7(7w8), give or take a minor tweak, but that tweak not being on the lead. (so/SX is also possible).
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Post by Roshan on Aug 24, 2020 12:10:04 GMT -5
In between extreme arrogance and "Kick me".
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Post by anthony on Aug 24, 2020 12:30:43 GMT -5
I think you were right in terms of what I was confusing for 7. Not to mention, I even thought to myself that there is something about him that was "vaseline cool" but I think that might just be the affected image coming from 3w4 lead, because he is still quite awkward and does not get 'yoomins' as you stated.
I figured he was most likely 9 fixed, except that the 9 does not seem to have any 8 component whatsoever. So, 9w1(1w2). If he's 5w6 fixed, which made more sense to me than 7 as you described it(comparing him to somebody like Ben Shapiro who also has 7 and 3w4 and 1 and sp/sx and DOES indeed get 'yoomins'), it'd have to have a pull towards 'the buddy'(6w7) and be moving in disintegration to 8. If he's 359 this would also explain why I frequently felt while watching the videos "this is something that I could easily see myself doing"/"this is a situation I have been in/could see myself being in."
I wouldn't know exactly where to start to differentiate SP/sx from SP/so. He seems SP/sx to me, especially in the manner in which he behaved during this interview in particular:
So, SP/sx 3w4(2w3)-9w1(1w2)-5w6(6w7) is my current standing. I suspect that there was something 'totemic' to his price-gauging as well, and the 3/9 strikes me as the most apparent.
He seems to act in an affected tough/'ghetto' manner in a lot of his livestreams, and a lot of the time he isn't just doing it ironically. He seems to realize just how NOT taken seriously he is, and thinks that behaving in a pseudo-8ish manner will somehow aid him in this.
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Post by Roshan on Aug 24, 2020 13:09:58 GMT -5
He is very, very sp/sx in that one; chthonic mesmerizing eyes and predatory squid arms and all. And yet it seems as though his problem came from his grandiose lack of boundaries. He saw himself as so famous that if sick people needed the medicine they would just know where to find him. This also implies that despite his worldly success, his know-how and pragmatism, he confused his 'lair', his den or locus of activities with 'the world-at-large'. Which really does suggest 9 is second. And in that case sx 9 'merged' actually, and rather surprisingly, does make sense. This doesn't seem to be someone with much emphasis on 'secrets'. "It's all love".
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Post by Roshan on Aug 24, 2020 13:18:16 GMT -5
#2 Where he seemed possibly SP/so was when he was "mentoring the kids". A role he was assuming, clearly.
Before seeing those videos it never occurred to me that he was anything but some range of sp/sx but again I had not really looked into him all that deeply E-wise.
btw, TeNi with cph PolR? TeSi with heavy sixth?
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Post by vincent on Aug 24, 2020 13:20:53 GMT -5
From the relatively little I knew of him I always found Shkreli to be less ominous than he was portrayed. I felt that he genuinely felt he was being scapegoated, which meant that it had to be true in some way. It seemed like there was some huge misunderstanding on some fundamental level for some reason. Shkreli did not ring the 'evil' bell for me. A 3/9 dissociative loop with very low social on a do-gooder 3 may have been at the root of it. He may have consciously felt that because pharmaceuticals are actually given on a need basis to people who contact the company and a lot of the money was being invested in research, that he was doing what he was supposed to do--gouge to give so to say. With a certain competitive thrill-seeking in seeing just how much he could gouge. But that thrill-seeking doesn't give him a 7 fix. Head is almost certain to be 5w6. He's not spontaneous, has zero 'vaseline-like charm' (Naranjo), he's autistic-ish and even has the classic mechanical 5w6 voice.
That sounds right to me. And it fits my first impression of him, ct wise, which is TiNe in TeNi shadow. a TiNe in TeNi shadow who somehow managed to "match" the popular stereotype of the greedy ENTJ CEO.
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Post by anthony on Aug 24, 2020 13:22:35 GMT -5
Yes, exactly. It was a passive aggressive, unintentional violation of the world’s boundaries and it came from a ‘tower-esque’ place where he could be socially avaricious and totemically effect and control what he wants, suggesting Social 5w6 last. I also suspect this is why he got away with, and was, being portrayed as ominously as he was.
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Post by Roshan on Aug 24, 2020 13:25:01 GMT -5
a TiNe in TeNi shadow who somehow managed to "match" the popular stereotype of the greedy ENTJ CEO.
Right, after I wrote my two suggestions I felt neither was quite right. And he doesn't seem like my mirror or supervisee either.
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Post by vincent on Aug 24, 2020 13:26:23 GMT -5
There might also be something both totemic and unironically "ghetto" in his buying of a Wu Tang Clan album for 2 millions dollars.
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