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Post by Roshan on Dec 12, 2019 19:42:15 GMT -5
(EDIT: August 9, 2020. Eight months later, nope, she is a 3 after all).
She had us fooled but I was starting to doubt the 3 lead and thinking maybe 9. But here--now that she's becoming more successful things must be more stressful, and the kind of head anxiety she shows and the way the eyes penetrate, she has to be a Six. (EDIT: 4/12 Meh. She's healthy triple attached sp/so; things move into each other). Also the orientation of the content is exceedingly Sixish for various reasons and she has been doing this kind of thing quite a bit. Research and teach the history and politics, the background, behind some 'hot button place'. I smell a 'nobody can be left out and we have the duty to include everybody' mindset; we're not allowed to criticize the Saudis unless we understand them. It goes beyond 'information'.
I'm also detecting that the motivation for everything she does is that she is alarmed; she's that Indian brave lookout on the pony at the edge of the cliff reading smoke signals from across the canyon.
After September 11, 2001 everybody was gathering in Union Square Park for vigils for weeks. Not me. I was studying the history of the Middle East and US foreign relations there and talking about it on the phone with my 6 friend John in California every day.
As soon as the Internet went back on I was googling Middle East.
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Post by Roshan on Dec 12, 2019 19:59:47 GMT -5
The whole thing is very Six; a good slice is @11'26" to 12'35" or so, and especially the part where she wants to make the point and her point is..
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Post by Roshan on Mar 23, 2020 12:27:11 GMT -5
I always thought she was sp/SO and triple attached with 9w1, 3w(2?) and 6w7. First I thought 3 led, then 9, finally 6. Still think 6. 6 at 3 with 3.
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Post by Roshan on Aug 6, 2020 8:40:06 GMT -5
mmm...yeah...I still go back and forth with her but I do think she is a healthy triple attached 6 with a heart-centered 3 professional persona--"iIf that makes sense".
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Post by vincent on Aug 7, 2020 14:05:03 GMT -5
It's not easy with triple attached, and i will have to watch more / rewatch some, but i think that's right.
edit :
I just realized her description on the "about" page of her Youtube channel says "I don't "fall in line" when the line leads to bullshit."
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Post by Admin on Aug 7, 2020 22:44:38 GMT -5
I just realized her description on the "about" page of her Youtube channel says "I don't "fall in line" when the line leads to bullshit."
Yeah, it does but I'm still not sure about her again. Like last night...wait, you know what, just watch and let me know your honest option and I'll tell you after what threw me again last night. (And oops about posting under admin.  ) |
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Post by Roshan on Aug 7, 2020 23:07:17 GMT -5
Ah, I see she already took down the video I put up on the 6th, and I'm sure she took down last night's too. But just watch what you can and tell me what you think and then I'll divulge more. (The one on the 6th ended with her saying "If that makes sense", that's why I wrote it. It seemed very Sixish but last night's...threw me again... ).
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Post by vincent on Aug 8, 2020 4:26:34 GMT -5
I saw the video you posted on the 6th before she took it down, and i found it pretty sixish too.
But not enough to be firmly positive about it.
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Post by vincent on Aug 8, 2020 12:32:29 GMT -5
Maybe it will be tomorrow actually. For some reason, my internet connection is particularly bad right now.  |
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Post by vincent on Aug 9, 2020 11:06:45 GMT -5
I watched about 10 mins of her video about "What REALLY happened in Lebanon ?" For now she hasn't really said anything of substance.
She is just teasing, quite irritatingly so, overplaying and downplaying her "theory" at the same time. It MUST be shared at all cost, including financial cost for her, but "there is a big if" and "she is just connecting the dots".
The concern for plausible deniability is quite obvious and it seems more image than head centered.
She fears deplatforming because deplatforming happens these days, and "you never know". But she doesn't mention any specific reason why SHE could be deplatformed. It sounds more like an advertisement argument than anything else, at this point.
Like a "parental advisory, explicit lyrics" sticker.
Which reminded me that she is almost certainly TeSi, probably Si subtype, and Ni polr btw. The "snake oil seller" brand of TeSi.
tbcd
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Post by Roshan on Aug 10, 2020 1:29:38 GMT -5
This video was a total embarrassment vincent, and it does reveal I was right when I first typed her as 3. But there's a story to be told here. |
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Post by Roshan on Aug 10, 2020 2:00:36 GMT -5
When Kim started she showed a lot of promise and she would take these 'deep dives' (getting tired of hearing that term) into geopolitical topics that required a lot of research. She was obviously going way beyond her expertise (since as a radio host she had a kind of Dear Abbey love advice show and such) but it was admirable. (A very Three word btw). She would draw unorthodox conclusions for someone on the left, sometimes for any American really and she would ask the audience for assistance (hey guys...). At the time I didn't realize there was a real reason though maybe subconscious for calling us guys.
She was attractive though a bit plain and frumpy and also a little overweight, very modestly dressed, sober aesthetic--so I was surprised to find the old photos of her in provocative, tawdry outfits. But not that surprised being it seemed very Threeish she had been in search of an 'image' to market. I moved her over to 9 because something seemed too 'heavy' energetically for 3 and then to 6 because she started seeming doubtful, nervous and scattered when stakes were raised and stress kicked in.
Throughout this she would get compliments from 'guys' about her looks and then she gave a birthday party for herself online. I found this very odd. It was just her and her viewers and she was wearing this glittery get up but she was still her slightly chubby pretty modestly covered self. So I was surprised to see that a bunch of the 'guys' were talking about the size of her breasts, which I had actually never noticed...and now it's come to this.
In this new video she's gotten her lips and cheeks filled out and liposuction, it seems, and other kinds of subtle plastic surgery and she's just showing off her body. I have nothing against this normally but I think to be doing it while expressing your personal and unorthodox views about an incident that left hundreds of thousands of people homeless is really creepy. Especially since this all seems to have started when people started commenting about her breasts.
This video is just incredibly long and tedious over nothing and she seems to have some serious narcissism going on here, That in and of itself wouldn't make me move her back to 3 lead. What did it was the part where she just decided to sit there for ten minutes and get a server and set up a new page so she could collect these emails. It was the way she went about doing this.
She didn't know what she was doing but she never lost her cool. A Six or any head type could do this but you would see the anxiety (or a removed quality or party-like joking to cover up for it). You can see Kim doesn't have that. She is simply being proficient about her lack of proficiency--as though she is just on the job. Because she is.
She acts exactly the way you would expect an office worker to act if they were trying to figure out how to set up something technical while talking to someone they were friendly with about it because this whole operation is her office. Kim is a 3 and she is in the business of image production. And she is the product.
She's not only a 3 but a 3 way in 2 so this gives insight not only into sp 3 (Do Unto Others, the do-gooder 3) but into sp 2 Ineffective Help. This has elements of what Naranjo described with little Liza bringing her father his slippers when he came home and then standing and waiting waiflike to be helped.
And there's just nothing wrong with our sitting and waiting. Sure, we all have fifteen minutes to spare to watch Kim fuck up setting up a page for us to send our emails. It's the most normal thing in the world for her to suck up our oxygen while we wait for the privilege of her assistance. This is a very Two-heavy sp 3 lead.
Again, it's not the narcissism that clinches the 3 lead, it's the form the narcissism takes. And it's also a stacking issue. sp/so 6 really is unlikely to be that overtly narcissistic because it is so wrapped around the vigilance of helping. Sp last and/or sx first 6 basking around like that sucking up everyone's oxygen, sure...but so comfortable about executing the problematic task in public, no. And anyway she is a very obvious sp/so stacking.
So back to sp/so 3w2(2w1)-9w1(1w2)-6w7(5w6) for Miss Iversen. (9 never seemed like it could be last). Yielding an sx 6 last--another small triumph for 'stack-fix correlation'.
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Post by Roshan on Aug 10, 2020 2:12:50 GMT -5
Now, about her health level.
It seems to me that similarly to Peterson she started off this Internet venture at high average health and she was really striving to be healthy, fulfilled and fulfilling. But life is full of pitfalls and public Internet life even more so, and in such situations of dynamic flux, it's a lot easier for the L4 CoG to slip down than to shock up to L3; one thing's for sure, it won't stay the same.
What threw Peterson as a Six with 3 was the inability to be heroic. Under intense scrutiny in the public eye he was constantly being mischaracterized by the media so he wasn't able to feel sure of himself. He became assailed by doubt over how to frame every single thing he said in public and then started being a sullen authoritarian rebel about it. With Kim, 3 with 6, it's different. No one is mischaracterizing her because she's not doing public speaking, interviews, etc. She just has her own show. The problem is fear of failure.
Kim came late to the party and she got in right before the censorship got really bad. She saw an opportunity to both 'become the best person possible' and make money at it. And in fact she acquired a (relatively) huge audience astronomically quickly for YouTube. The problem is with the censorship crackdown she can't be 'the best' in her own eyes--she can't become The Authentic Person (high 3) and really cash in.
Not to mention the added border of the 'do gooder' sp 3 and her compliant/attached load. So she's reverting to tawdry tricks, and similarly to Peterson, the pressure of it all isn't keeping her at L5 Image Conscious Person any more than it kept Peterson at L5 Ambivalent Pessimist. She's becoming an L6 Narcissistic Self-Promoter, as Peterson became an L6 Authoritarian Rebel.
And this video is narcissistic self-promotion. She is still an L5 Image Conscious Person though. But she may not be for long.
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Post by vincent on Aug 10, 2020 13:46:01 GMT -5
Right, it makes a lot of sense.
Btw, i suspect her "too-dangerous-for-youtube-theory" will turn out to be something along the lines of "the US did it, in the context of a shadow Cold War against China along the "New Silk Roads"". At least that's how i "connect the dots", given the countries she names in that painful advertising video (and the hint she gives in the video description).
it's almost certainly Ti ignoring/Ni polr BS, but it's still very professional BS, so to speak.
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Post by Roshan on Aug 10, 2020 16:37:15 GMT -5
Yeah, see Peterson wants above all to be a hero. So does Vincent James. Hero first, professional second. Kim wants above all to be a professional, to use heroism as a means to professionalism, to being valued for 'quality'. The diamond that must be polished to be 'appraised' at high value. And when Kim chooses "I don't 'fall in line' when the line leads to bullshit" as her statement for her channel, this is 3 talking style propaganda. It walks and quacks like a Six duck but ultimately it's in the service of 3. The funny part of it all is that I consider myself to be a great appreciator of female beauty and especially before she got this 'work' done, Kim was 'not so hot' imo. Comparing her for instance to this political commentator below who's a New England-based Green that was involved in the Bernie movement I just find there is no comparison. Another sx last 2, I think. And I think ultimately what makes these guys rave so much about Kim is that she's pretty and smart but ultimately not threatening Whereas
Holly...Holly will possess your heart.
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