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Post by vincent on Jul 11, 2020 11:01:08 GMT -5
This popped up on Youtube
I think this guy is SiTe quite deep in SeTi shadow.
I said before that Fe polr was often (but not always) not obvious in SiTe, because Si "warmth" tones it down a lot.
He might be a good example of the "not always" clause.
But even then, he is STILL upholding a tradition, the tradition of the angry coach who would score 0 in agreeableness on a Big Five Test but who WILL get you in shape.
And, in a way, from a SiTe perspective,being one of the last fossils of a dying breed is only a plus.
(notice the editing of the video, cutting a few frames here and there to make it shorter)
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Post by Roshan on Jul 11, 2020 16:47:30 GMT -5
Plug him into a socket, give him intermittently softer eyes, and make him do push ups on current events and you have Alex Jones vincent . But I would have thought Jones was Beta? That voice...but maybe not. |
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Post by Roshan on Jul 11, 2020 16:51:12 GMT -5
Really Jones' voice got gravelly as he got older, in large part it seems from cigarettes and booze. And it's still fluttery and ungrounded. (Obviously).
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Post by vincent on Jul 11, 2020 16:54:44 GMT -5
I'm not sure about Alex Jones.
I can definetely see a lot of similarity, now that you mentioned it.
Maybe SeTi in SiTe shadow...
I will look into it tomorrow.
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Post by Roshan on Jul 11, 2020 16:56:49 GMT -5
A lot of his material will be down vincent, as he kept getting 'cancelled' but there are interviews and stuff. |
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Post by vincent on Jul 11, 2020 17:11:36 GMT -5
A lot of his material will be down vincent , as he kept getting 'cancelled' but there are interviews and stuff. Yeah, i bet.
I guess we will have to type those guys while it's still possible.
Remember the far right conference i showed you, the two french betas, one SeTi mentor, one NiFe pupil ?
Turns out Youtube recently removed pretty much all videos of the SeTi guy. His channels all got closed.
Others, not necessarily betas, preemptively migrated on smaller platforms.
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Post by Roshan on Jul 11, 2020 17:23:58 GMT -5
Well, if possible capture videos vincent. |
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Post by vincent on Jul 14, 2020 15:05:00 GMT -5
Hmm Simply based on a google search for images, Alex Jones exhibits a wider range of expressions than Rippetoe (who is very regular and steady in that regard).
Jones is a lot more likely to be an extravert.
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Post by vincent on Jul 14, 2020 15:58:01 GMT -5
Seems SeTi to me here.
Actually my very first impression of him, based on the few things i had seen about him in various medias, would have been ESFP.
From the same subclade of ESFP than Trump. But he clearly isn't that.
At 7 mins 10 : "we build this" sounds like Te 6th to me.
"My goal is to change the world so our children have a big future". Ne role under Se frame.
Fe agenda seems pretty clear too. "Me and my crew". He is essentially a tribe chief.
She has to make him shut up and listen because he "needs to hear" that his people loves him. Which seems very consistent with Fi polr imo.
"Loyalty to truth"
Ni 4th also makes sense for him. Seeking AND inferior. The whole "conspiracism" might very well be that : seeking Ni gone wrong.
He doesn't even seem particularly shadowing.
Stressed because he is under attack and because "they" deprives him of his "levers", yes. But not shadowing per se.
He compares himself to a perpetual "motion machine", this and what he says about "stopping", or simply taking some rest, sounds a lot like Si ignoring to me.
Whatever type that interviewer is, she really seems to have nailed down his "weaknesses". Not only does she ask him again if he heard that he is loved (around 16 min mark) but she challenges him to take a month off at the end.
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Post by vincent on Jul 14, 2020 16:00:07 GMT -5
I was looking for older videos, in part to hear the evolution of his voice over the years (and indeed it changed a lot)
and i found this one :
Rippetoe isn't the only one with a skeleton as co-host  But Rippetoe does that all the time, not just for Halloween.
tbcd.
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Post by vincent on Jul 14, 2020 16:49:23 GMT -5
Trying to educate myself about the Sandy Hook stuff
His explanations, which are very conveniently cut by Huffpost, makes sense.
I'm not saying he isn't nuts, he probably is.
But from what i've seen so far he seems a lot more "normal" than i expected him to be.
It even stands true here, under massive pressure. He seems to be reacting like any rational and well prepared witness would react.
And fwiw i have an immediat allergic reaction to that attorney.
He insists on the date when he shows exhibit A... but then he conflates several video samples to present an "evidence" obviously edited for impact.
Does he really think that Jones will "realize" he was mocking the parents ? That's pretty ridiculous. |
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Post by Roshan on Jul 14, 2020 18:30:00 GMT -5
So I was right about great similarities and differences between Rippletoes and Alex Jones. Rippletoes is trying to be him. And yes, Jones is obviously Fe user (duh). Agree about Ni inferior gone haywire with him. Running around the barnyard "collapsing" everything like a chicken with his head cut off. tbcd.
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Post by vincent on Jul 14, 2020 23:36:16 GMT -5
So I was right about great similarities and differences between Rippletoes and Alex Jones. Rippletoes is trying to be him. And yes, Jones is obviously Fe user (duh). Agree about Ni inferior gone haywire with him. Running around the barnyard "collapsing" everything like a chicken with his head cut off. tbcd.
Right. Rippetoe is indeed trying to be him. But Rippetoe never ventured outside of the bodybuilding bubble world, and probably never will.
Jones Fe is so obvious that i initially suspected he might be ESFP, because it has something in common with the "elephant in a china shop" flavor of Fe 6th. But that was an impression distorted by the selection biases of the media, and i don't think that's what is actually going on.
Actually, it's quite possible that he is a SeFe jumper, caught in the "info wars", with an irrepressible agenda of being as nuts as his audience, reflecting the collective craziness around him.
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Post by Roshan on Jul 15, 2020 6:26:56 GMT -5
I guess we will have to type those guys while it's still possible.
Remember the far right conference i showed you, the two french betas, one SeTi mentor, one NiFe pupil ?
Turns out Youtube recently removed pretty much all videos of the SeTi guy. His channels all got closed.
Others, not necessarily betas, preemptively migrated on smaller platforms.
Well, I was aware (from Sargon/Benjamin) that Stefan Molyneux's Twitter account got cancelled, and rereading this thread this a.m. I got suspicious...and sure enough...Really pissed off. One of the original youtubers, no specific reason given, and most importantly, working on his typing is a hobby of mine.  But seriously, these guys have a lot to offer and where they play with fire it's better within a spectrum of discourse where they have points in common with people with more standard views. The philo-anti-Semite, his audience, the Jews and the world are all better off for me being there. I'd call Stefan anarcho-capitalist alt-Right Lite  ; notice how he distances himself from Richard with "he's a socialist". But the problem the censors have with these guys (and some gals) isn't really what they say that's bad, it's what's good. It's hard to have an Other to lead a charge against when they're seen to be responding to the best of their ability to concerns we all share in terms we can understand. (I'll make a typing thread for Stefan, as I'd planned for a long time to do, but I'm damn annoyed I won't be able to post his video on Nathaniel Branden, Ayn Rand's protegé--which reveals him crystal clear as a Six lead, not the One he is usually typed as, the Three I'd been tempted by, or the so/sp 7w6 Manuel peddled). |
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Post by vincent on Jul 16, 2020 1:09:59 GMT -5
Yes, that's definetely right.
I'll take a look at Molyneux soon.
tbcd.
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; notice how he distances himself from Richard with "he's a socialist". But the problem the censors have with these guys (and some gals) isn't really what they say that's bad, it's what's good. It's hard to have an Other to lead a charge against when they're seen to be responding to the best of their ability to concerns we all share in terms we can understand.