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Post by Roshan on Apr 4, 2020 11:25:02 GMT -5
Like Rilke and others surely to come, Warhol is an extremely important cultural figure whose typing poses real challenges. I've been toying with it on again off again since eidb days and waiting until I felt competent enough to seriously embark on a complete typing. Now I do but take 'embark' literally. This ship should take a while to sail.
He was assumed on eidb to have been 3w4. His head seems obviously 5w4. No one attempted a complete typing and I was torn between so/sx and sp/sx for stacking. I was under the assumption that social lasts avoided scenes but he did not seem social. Obviously, at the time ranges weren't part of the discussion though we were vaguely aware of them from typewatch. Returning over the past couple of days to him, I started thinking maybe SP/so --with this very heavy sp cover accounting for the unreachable autistic-ish quality. But now I'm thinking he may actually have been sp/so 5w4.
His gut is obviously on the 9/1 line and there are arguments for either side. If he is in fact sp/so stacking this may account for a lot of what seems Oneish. There's a lot more to be considered about Warhol. tbct'd.
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Post by Roshan on Apr 5, 2020 12:12:13 GMT -5
So, watching this documentary up to 23 minutes so far it seems like he was probably 3w4 with 5w4 second and the physical and psychological effects of the rheumatic fever exacerbated the 5 traits.
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Post by Roshan on Apr 5, 2020 12:15:29 GMT -5
At 24" "He just somehow absorbed this mass culture you know like right at its root..."
Enforced 3 movement to 9 through confinement. 3 at/as 9.
Attachment lead, didn't have a primary pull toward the arcane. Everything was osmosis.
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Post by Roshan on Apr 5, 2020 12:34:45 GMT -5
At around 30" ...holy fool, a witness, very passive and this in a curious way protected him. This seems 9-fixed. But the two photos at 35" are exceedingly Oneish; there is also the issue of an iron will that begins to exert itself.
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Post by Roshan on Apr 5, 2020 12:43:41 GMT -5
@40'32" "a great capacity for finding permutations within the same"
"to find the difference, to really find the difference".
Sounds like 1>9.
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Post by Roshan on Apr 5, 2020 13:23:48 GMT -5
He was the most successful commercial artist in NYC but was unable to break through into the fine art world, in part because of this. He broke through with the Campbell's soup cans. @1:09'19" shows how, like many a 3, it wasn't even his idea.
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Post by Roshan on Apr 5, 2020 14:22:03 GMT -5
I struggle with his stacking. I am starting to rule out SP/so. His 5w4 second has to be very strong, and anyway why would someone with such a strong sp cover ever bring the entire scene into his 'factory?"
It should probably be one of the two pseudo-socials. sp/SX or sx/SP. And as weird as he was atm I am actually leaning toward sx/SP--Hungry Ghost sx 3 "Mannequin" with the 5w4 second making him far more 'remote' than most, and with sp second making money-making 'not an issue' but the craving for fusion, being famous, making an impact, being obsessional.
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Post by Roshan on Apr 5, 2020 14:33:37 GMT -5
Initially I thought he could have brought the world into his home because people were just like objects he collected, which could have been consistent with SP/so...but as I watch this documentary he seems ultimately too desperate and vulnerable for this to have been the case. Extreme withdrawn but still attachment sx/SP Wanderer 'getting kicks' from interacting with many different people and consuming many substances and actual objects, to achieve sx intensity while protecting one's feelings, seems more within the realm of possibility.
Basically sx/SP can be socially gluttonous.
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Post by Roshan on Apr 5, 2020 14:38:38 GMT -5
Then with sp 5 second it could have seemed natural to bring that social milieu into his own 'castle', having, as sx attachment lead, no stable identity, and feeling otherwise he would just be alone.
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Post by vincent on Apr 5, 2020 14:40:53 GMT -5
From what i've seen so far (about 40 minutes in) i agree it's 3w4 lead with 5w4 second. I also agree with 1w9 gut. I was considering sp/sx for his instinct, without certainty, but your argument for sx/SP is very strong. "Hungry Ghost sx 3 Mannequin" feels right.
tbcd
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Post by vincent on Apr 5, 2020 14:42:36 GMT -5
Initially I thought he could have brought the world into his home because people were just like objects he collected, which could have been consistent with SP/so...but as I watch this documentary he seems ultimately too desperate and vulnerable for this to have been the case. Extreme withdrawn but still attachment sx/SP Wanderer 'getting kicks' from interacting with many different people and consuming many substances and actual objects, to achieve sx intensity while protecting one's feelings, seems more within the realm of possibility. Basically sx/SP can be socially gluttonous.
Yes, that makes sense.
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Post by vincent on Apr 5, 2020 14:54:26 GMT -5
At around 30" ...holy fool, a witness, very passive and this in a curious way protected him. This seems 9-fixed. But the two photos at 35" are exceedingly Oneish; there is also the issue of an iron will that begins to exert itself.
Yes. And even as a kid, he "had to win" those painting contests.
1 gut and 3 at 9 makes more sense than 9. I can't see him as triple withdrawn / inner sanctum tritype.
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Post by Roshan on Apr 5, 2020 15:00:08 GMT -5
vincent , at around 1'38" now I'm pretty sure about sx/SP. I was thinking his m.o. for social interaction seems similar to my sx/SP 6w5-9w8-4w3 photographer/musician friend who compulsively organizes open mic's despite his own social ineptness, and films and photographs the outcasts and dregs of society. Then it turned out he gives as the reason for the latter the same as Andy with his death paintings: If I don't document them who will remember them when they're gone?
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Post by Roshan on Apr 5, 2020 15:01:52 GMT -5
At around 30" ...holy fool, a witness, very passive and this in a curious way protected him. This seems 9-fixed. But the two photos at 35" are exceedingly Oneish; there is also the issue of an iron will that begins to exert itself.
Yes. And even as a kid, he "had to win" those painting contests.
1 gut and 3 at 9 makes more sense than 9. I can't see him as triple withdrawn / inner sanctum tritype.
Well he wouldn't be triple withdrawn. He'd be 359 Occultation and Mastery teetering on inner sanctum. But the thing is--there was very little occultation and almost no inner sanctum. Everything was really out there in the open, including his begging other people for ideas.
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Post by vincent on Apr 5, 2020 15:11:10 GMT -5
Yes. And even as a kid, he "had to win" those painting contests.
1 gut and 3 at 9 makes more sense than 9. I can't see him as triple withdrawn / inner sanctum tritype.
Well he wouldn't be triple withdrawn. He'd be 359 Occultation and Mastery teetering on inner sanctum. But the thing is--there was very little occultation and almost no inner sanctum. Everything was really out there in the open, including his begging other people for ideas.
Oops, my bad. Of course it would be 359. But yeah, that still doesn't work.
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