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Post by vincent on Jan 26, 2020 11:03:41 GMT -5
it's not demonstration in the sense of "under stress" overkill attacks. It's demonstration in the sense of "making it obvious" to his audience. It's "good 6th", so to speak.
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Post by Roshan on Jan 26, 2020 11:10:18 GMT -5
Okay, but IF he had had Ti second then the Perry Mason paper-folding COULD have been seen as Te demonstrative?
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Post by Roshan on Jan 26, 2020 11:13:54 GMT -5
This mostly works. 'Emotional shepherding'--he even exhorts us without irony to feel sorry for Hillary. Also J 'rigid posture' is introduced. cognitivetype.com/feni-vultology/Prominent Signals Fe On-Beat Emphasis Fe Emotional Shepherding Fe Warm Swelling Fe Exerting Effort Fe Semantic Disclaimers Fe Warm Head Shakes Fe Warm Head Nods Fe Directive Pushing Ti Absent Tension Ti Puppeteer Hands Ti Delicate Pinching Ti Stop-Start J Rigid Posture J Subordinate Perception Ni Hypnotic Eyes Ni Unblinking Eyes Ni Permanent Stare Ni Lowered Eyelids Ni Intense Scowl Se Amped Eyes Se Taut Eye Area
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Post by vincent on Jan 26, 2020 11:15:17 GMT -5
Okay, but IF he had had Ti second then the Perry Mason paper-folding COULD have been seen as Te demonstrative? Yes of course.
in the absence of obvious shadowing, 6th and 8th, well used, will look very very similar. The main difference will be that, as a general rule, 8th moves will seems more "planned" and deliberate and 6th moves will seems more spontaneous and "on the fly".
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Post by Roshan on Jan 26, 2020 11:18:40 GMT -5
Well, that paper-folding was planned.
What I miss from the FeNi signals list is the P/Pe emphasis TOO.
P Fluid Posture P Ongoing Movements P Eye Centric Pe Alert/Wide Eyes Pe Bubbling Momentum Pe Body Swaying
Because he has rigidity AND fluidity.
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Post by vincent on Jan 26, 2020 11:23:52 GMT -5
the list in this page cognitivetype.com/feni-vultology/ has 4 signals for the inferior function Ti and only 2 for the tertiary Se. Which is weird. I still think what we are seeing here is good tertiary.
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Post by Roshan on Jan 26, 2020 11:28:37 GMT -5
cognitivetype.com/feni-alever/"The FeNi type emerges when the Fe-Ti oscillation is primary and lead by Fe, while supported by the Ni-Se perception oscillation. The FeNi, perhaps more than any other type, will appear comfortable in their body. Their presence will elicit from their entire posture and they will wield their body as an extension of their psychology – projecting with it their emotion, attitude, deliberation and rhythm.For the FeNi, perhaps more than in the FeSi, this bodily familiarity will carry a weight and inertia. Their movements will be firm, accentuated, but not particularly spritely. Spontaneity is not common in this type, although never absent altogether. As an Fe lead type, their gestures will be well coordinated, exacting and embedded with an emotional undercurrent which can both apply social pressure as well as accommodate to it. More commonly, however, the FeNi will be directive. They will be the creator of their own ethical values and resulting protocols, often playing the role of social engineer; crafting themselves and the situation they’re amidst to align with the communal order they see as rational."
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Post by Roshan on Jan 26, 2020 11:39:37 GMT -5
Daniel has this unusual quality of being BOTH unusually comfortable AND unusually uncomfortable with his body.
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Post by vincent on Jan 26, 2020 11:40:04 GMT -5
Sort of. It doesn't do full justice to the paradoxes of Si polr. The thing is they don't make spontaneous Si efforts, and this can give the impression that they are already comfortable (even if they actually suffer from bad case of hypochondria and anxiety). What they actually are is extremely resilient and oblivious to discomfort.
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Post by Roshan on Jan 26, 2020 11:59:05 GMT -5
Well in any case I don't see why FeNi should appear most comfortable in their body unless the Se agenda had actually been achieved, i.e. complete 'development' vincent . I mean, it's a far cry energetically from Daniel to MLK but....what young progressive goes around reminding us to have pity on Hillary?
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Post by Roshan on Jan 26, 2020 19:47:50 GMT -5
I looked over the FeNi examples on Juan Sandoval's (Auburn's) site. They all have far more body-centered gravitas than Daniel, the closest being Carl Sagan who is given as 11-1, so without developed Se. Not that I consider those typings to be the be-all and end-all by far or that site sacrosanct but still...the NeFi's are a lot closer. So I'm not settled yet with any of this but we can take it at a chill pace, or not, que será será. cognitivetype.com/nefi-vultology/
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Post by Roshan on Jan 26, 2020 19:52:59 GMT -5
And p.s. yah I get that you have the theory of yin Fe vincent . It's just disappointing when things don't mesh so extremely with that site over there.
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Post by Roshan on Jan 26, 2020 19:58:56 GMT -5
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Post by vincent on Jan 27, 2020 8:30:53 GMT -5
And p.s. yah I get that you have the theory of yin Fe vincent . It's just disappointing when things don't mesh so extremely with that site over there.
It has to be expected though.
Due to the nature of their frame, interfacer dominants (Te and Fe) have access to the widest range of displays, so we should expect quite a lot of intratype variations.
More variations than this kind of "chart" and list of traits can account for.
Even before taking health level, subtypes and development into account.
Visual clues and energetical signatures will works a lot better with "low interfacing" types like INTPs, INFPs, ISTPs and ISFPs.
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Post by vincent on Jan 27, 2020 8:34:51 GMT -5
I looked over the FeNi examples on Juan Sandoval's site. They all have far more body-centered gravitas than Daniel, the closest being Carl Sagan who is given as 11-1, so without developed Se. Not that I consider those typings to be the be-all and end-all by far or that site sacrosanct but still...the NeFi's are a lot closer. So I'm not settled yet with any of this but we can take it at a chill pace, or not, que será será. cognitivetype.com/nefi-vultology/
I know he is ENFPish.It's actually the first thing i noticed and said about his ct.
But i really don't think it works, because i don't see any evidence of Ni ignoring, Ti polr, Si seeking or delta quadra values. That being said, i'll need to see more from him to be sure of anything.
so to be continued...
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