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Post by Roshan on Jun 27, 2021 7:04:01 GMT -5
It seems like a huge theme of Welles' film work was 'veracity and falsehood', 'reality and image', but more from the pov of externals, of dismantling public image, of deconstructing its production, rather than from the pov of expressing his individual voice. So 3w4 seems to make more sense than 4w3 ultimately. And also 6w5, because of the avaricious component in the holding on to the image to begin with. Which his characters do and society does with them, and he seems to do even as he exposes them.
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Post by Roshan on Jun 27, 2021 7:13:43 GMT -5
btw he painted.
There seems to be a lot that is derivative of existing images (Picasso's, Spain's in general), still far more of an outside-->in approach than 'my voice'.
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Post by Roshan on Jun 27, 2021 7:27:06 GMT -5
One of his last films was F for Fake about an art forger. I sense he saw himself as a bit of an art forger. Also I just have no problem with sp last for him. It seems as though sheer energy of the stacking propelled him but it was a propulsion to succeed at all costs. To succeed, accumulate, parade it about...it doesn't seem to have been about survival per se as much as to sort of acquire talismans of conquering life. 368 Prize Fighting so to say. The issue with Big Game Hunter 378 is that it is a game. With him it isn't a game. I see him as a boxer, really taking head punches just to win, and I don't see this on quite a cosmic level, which would be 468. So I don't quite see 478 Creative Force either. It's all quite earthly. While also inhuman, as though posessed by elemental forces. Those should be stacking-related.
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Post by Roshan on Jun 27, 2021 7:32:29 GMT -5
Probably we should have some discussion, agree to some materials to all look at, and give it more time, I mean like a long term project.
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Post by Roshan on Jun 27, 2021 7:39:54 GMT -5
It feels like he was hurtled across the cosmos just to scream out 'I am Orson Welles'.
Very much Gray's sx/so 'comet'. In the realm of 'the Gods'--not 'just' a Titan, but hardly a true Demon.
It also feels like he was constantly burning himself out, self-immolating, but due to his type configuration there was always more wick to face the kerosene.
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Post by ahmed on Jun 27, 2021 7:45:57 GMT -5
It feels like he was hurtled across the cosmos just to scream out 'I am Orson Welles'. Very much Gray's sx/so 'comet'. In the realm of 'the Gods'--not 'just' a Titan, but hardly a Demon. It also feels like he was constantly burning himself out, self-immolating, but due to his type configuration there was always more wick to face the kerosene. "Just like me & God, how could you tell us apart?"
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Post by Roshan on Jun 27, 2021 8:19:40 GMT -5
And then there is The Magnificent Ambersons.
Again, we are in the realm of the Pater Familias. Again, there must be magnificence. Again, it must be dismantledWhy, of all the short stories in the world to make into films, that one? The word 'glory' (a 3 word), and its obverse (a 6 attitude toward it), comes to mind. * * * Another thing is that Welles pioneered the insertion of himself as narrator of radio and tv plays. Again, outside-->in. Like he saw himself as the ringmaster of a three ring human circus but a deadly serious one, where taking punches to the head was requisite.
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Post by Roshan on Jun 27, 2021 8:38:06 GMT -5
I do feel kind of shitty that I didn't tell anthony that I had changed my mind. But it's probably for the best, especially since when I asked adrian if she would type him too, she came up with 4 lead on 478 tritype and sx last too. So I do think it's ultimately better that Anthony got to delve into the case for the RH eidb 4 lead typing in depth, because after all I could be wrong. And if we decide I'm not, then more is revealed as to why the confusion. And in any case, like I said, I'm far from settled on the wings, let alone subwings, though I really do like fs SX/so 8w7 "The Maverick" with 3 and 6 in that order, with withdrawn factors on the wings atm.
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Post by Roshan on Jun 27, 2021 9:03:41 GMT -5
The Other Side of the Wind is on Netflix. It is called there "Welles' Hollywood satire", and according to wiki 'the story utilized a film-within-a-film narrative which follows the last day in the life of an aging Hollywood film director (Huston) as he hosts a screening party for his unfinished latest project. The film was shot in an unconventional mockumentary style featuring a rapid cutting approach with both color and black-and-white footage. It was intended as a satire of both the passing of Classic Hollywood and of the avant-garde filmmakers of Europe and New Hollywood in the 1970s.'
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Post by Roshan on Jun 27, 2021 9:18:15 GMT -5
btw this might be a good time to say that one day it hit me that the chances of someone who was a 4 or even had a 4 fix typing Bergman, Mishima and Tennessee Williams as Sevens was about as likely as being struck by lightening. I say this not to suggest Welles was anything like that but to clarify some issues around what 4 is and isn't. At this time I assume that person's typing to be most likely 368 in some order, with the 8 last. I don't assume 368 for Welles.
I just can't have people thinking 4 and especially 4 lead could easily contain that level of shallow obtuseness around what 4 is, especially since it was my fault that typing was so widely accepted. It doesn't, it shouldn't, it won't. Which is not to say it never could happen, I suppose. After all being struck by lightening does.
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Post by vincent on Jun 27, 2021 9:26:55 GMT -5
Okay so... in my last post in the ancestor thread i was seeing sp/sx stacking with 3w4 heart and 8w7 gut, but i was doubting they would lead, and i was starting to consider 7w6 as an option.
But that didn't last very long. Recognizing him and watching the material made me realize that 8w7 lead was almost certainly right.
But it also made me realize that sp/sx probably wasn't.
I found him more social, or at least not social last, and also more six-ish in interviews than i would have expected him to be from the first pictures.
So i was already pretty much convinced that SX/so and 836 tritype were right when i saw Roshan's votes yesterday.
I rewatched some of the materials last night, to give another "try" to a 4 or a 7 fix, looked at Jack Nicholson and Che Guevara to compare, etc. And i was still at SX/so and 836 after that.
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Post by Roshan on Jun 27, 2021 9:33:03 GMT -5
Okay so... in my last post in the ancestor thread i was seeing sp/sx stacking
You're always going to see sp/sx stacking in and out with fs SX/so.
with 3w4 heart and 8w7 gut, but i was doubting they would lead, and i was starting to consider 7w6 as an option.
But that didn't last very long. Recognizing him and watching the material made me realize that 8w7 lead was almost certainly right.
But it also made me realize that sp/sx probably wasn't.
I found him more social, or at least not social last, and also more six-ish in interviews than i would have expected him to be from the first pictures. He's not social last. He was even yammering in some interview about how he was writing a book on governmental organizations. During my 4 foray with anthony I was looking at SOCIAL Four. so/sp tbc.
So i was already pretty much convinced that SX/so and 836 tritype were right when i saw Roshan 's votes yesterday.
I rewatched some of the materials last night, to give another "try" to a 4 or a 7 fix, looked at Jack Nicholson and Che Guevara to compare, etc. And i was still at SX/so and 836 after that. That's why I didn't want to talk to anyone about it. I wanted to see if anyone else came up with the same thing independently. Which doesn't mean it's conclusive either but I really wanted to see.
Also, you still didn't say what your complete typing for him is vincent .
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Post by Roshan on Jun 27, 2021 9:36:50 GMT -5
ps With fs SX/so you are always going to wind up at times hitting a wall.
Enneagrammer still has Morrison as sp/sx. (oc they also still have Peterson as 147 lmfao, but at least they made him so/sp instead of sx/sp but I digress. Back to business.) With fs SX/so you will hit a wall. As per typewatch, fireside sx/so is often mistyped as sp/sx because of its sp/sx shadow.
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Post by Roshan on Jun 27, 2021 9:42:43 GMT -5
I mean look, this was at like ten years old. But he just wasn't social last.
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Post by vincent on Jun 27, 2021 9:48:18 GMT -5
About 6 > 7 idk, something about him is so avuncular despite it all. Like if he weren't an actor and filmmaker he might have owned the local children's shoe store and kept little red and white candy canes for the children. Something very 'Everyman' too.
Yes, i agree. Btw he says in one of the interviews that if he hadn't been an actor and filmmaker he would have studied anthropology. Which says something coming from someone who was larger than "larger than life".
And with unliminted billions he would start a foundation to study police encroachment on civil rights all over the world.
I'm not quite sure why but even from the pictures, i didn't saw 6w7. When i considered 6 lead then it was 6w5 already. I still feel that's right.
Even more now that i just saw that
There is a Matador side of him which i think has something to do with 6w5.
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