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Post by Roshan on Jun 12, 2021 17:53:29 GMT -5
PAM definitely sounds good.
And yes, i agree we have to look more into Ti polr.
I was convinced he was Ti polr pretty early but i changed it too easily.
I guess in part because of how counterphobic he is and because of how deceptive his shadow is.
Watching him with Ti people (Bret Ti aux, Sargon Ti aux, Grace Ti 6th, Renaud probably Ti tertiary) didn't help with that either.
I would really appreciate it if you could bring this to light on a public thread about what is Ti PolR. If you could post where you saw the Ti PolR and where you switched and why that would be a good start.
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Post by vincent on Jun 12, 2021 17:54:04 GMT -5
I guess it's late over there. I want to follow up on what Ash did with Lex Fridman.
Yes it is.
I will head up to bed now, and i will try to catch up with that tomorrow.
Take care and ttys !
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Post by vincent on Jun 12, 2021 17:56:49 GMT -5
I would really appreciate it if you could bring this to light on a public thread about what is Ti PolR. If you could post where you saw the Ti PolR and where you switched and why that would be a good start. Ok yes, that might be very interesting indeed.
I will do that.
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Post by Roshan on Jun 12, 2021 18:43:46 GMT -5
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Post by Roshan on Jun 13, 2021 6:10:52 GMT -5
That ^ is a hot mess. But to be fair to BB, his trans series is very good and very needed. He interviewed conservative trans 'YouTube star' Blaire White and really cut to the chase; I also found Angus Fox, gay advocate for parents of sudden transitioning kids, on that series and subscribed to his substack. Fox is of my generation and someone finally said the unsayable: "If I were younger, I'd have done this and it would have been a mistake". (paraphrase). The trans craze is undermining the struggles and victories gained, and the health, physical and/or mental, of gays and of actual clinical transexual people. My point being BB does some valuable work. NeFi seems to be morally and relationally protean, and BB seems to have an almost preternatural ability to use this to advantage in interviews. (But I have seen it before). Whoever is speaking is the center of the universe and we have to open ourselves up to let in their world. (Is Charlie Rose NeFi? He seems to be a combination vultologically of eagle-like Russell Brand and butter-won't-melt-in-my-mouth BB, Ryan Long...). BB reminds me in this way of Matthew "Car Poem" Courtney. The secret of Matthew's Open Mic, then Wide Open Cabaret, was that everyone had something very valuable to say or play, everyone was the center of the universe during their ten minute spot. Really, every damn idiot. Matthew would introduce them like superstars (also "Threeishly" with that unctuous voice) and would often engage in repartee with them. Hugely similar to BB and RL, MC would eye people up and down as he engaged them, in the Cabaret and outside. (Charlie Rose did a muted version of this on his show). There was a sensuous ogling to the mere fact of interacting. A new person, or a new thing an old person was saying, was, quite simply, erotic. Any new person, any new thing. As you said about Ryan Long, you could imagine him working for 'the other side'. With BB he interviews 'all sides' but you know where he stands. But I could also see him shifting his stance without batting an eyelash, just because of the shifting sands, and without bothering to articulate it. Without feeling any responsibility to do so--which may be part of what the Ti PolR actually is. Let the conglomerate of individuals (seamless second row F) carry the Zeitgeist (Ne frame) to its next implementation (Te). Let them explain it and bring us there, 'it's not my job'. (Which may go far toward explaining why BB lets the footage--sooooo much fooootage...speak for itself). NeFi appears to be sort of 'omisociosexual'--erotically attracted to society-at-large and always seducing. This seduction brings out the best in most people in the moment. All our NeFi's--Benjamin Boyce, Russell Brand, Matthew Courtney, Ryan Long, Charlie Rose (?)--are 'interviewers with an orientation'. The exception to this is CJ Hopkins. This seems to be because his form of 'intercourse'--biting satire--when things got really weird with society (his 'lover') was harshly rejected. Whereas Brand, coming from a similar place, did a lot more foreplay first, so no one is mad at him, and now that the moment is more opportune, he can have more of an effect. These are kind of just musings. My point is maybe we shouldn't be TOO hard on Benjamin Boyce. The omission of Bret's name in the history of his channel is so glaring it says a lot. And his ass is covered because he's documenting Evergreen (not Bret). Something about 'seamless F' here seems to be that everyone is a full individual and no one is--no one including the NeFi.
NeFi seems both wildly ambitious and oddly self-neutralized. I would venture to say this is because 'N' is empty.
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Post by vincent on Jun 13, 2021 6:35:03 GMT -5
Well, those might be musings but that's some pretty deep and insightful ones.
I'll reread it again and i'll let it sink, so to speak, but i think you're absolutely right about all this. The protean F, what Ti polr actually is, the erotic dimension, NeFi's self-neutralization and empty N...
I agree we shouldn't be too hard on Benjamin Boyce. I probably was last night, in part because he tricked us, and maybe because we are contaries.
I will take a look at Charlie Rose when i get the chance.
(at very first glance, i'm inclined to agree with NeFi already though)
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Post by Roshan on Jun 13, 2021 8:25:48 GMT -5
I agree we shouldn't be too hard on Benjamin Boyce. I probably was last night, in part because he tricked us, and maybe because we are contaries.
I was pissed off because he dissed Bret, in a maneuver as ham-fisted and obvious as Ana's tank top denial, but tbh the creative subtype Russell Brand is the only one of our NeFi's who seems like he wouldn't pull something like that big time if he "thought" he could. (Quotation marks used because to assume conscious thinking here is to assume a lot).
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Post by vincent on Jun 13, 2021 8:42:16 GMT -5
Yes, that sounds completely right to me.
I would be a bit surprised if Russell Brand did something like that. With the others... not so much.
Anyway, i'll try to make that Ti polr post tonight.
I need to think about it a bit more and for now i have some work to do to prepare tomorrow's meeting (which should be the last one of that meeting marathon).
tbcd.
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Post by Roshan on Jun 13, 2021 14:00:39 GMT -5
Anyway, i'll try to make that Ti polr post tonight.
You might as well do it tomorrow.
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Post by vincent on Jun 13, 2021 15:15:30 GMT -5
Anyway, i'll try to make that Ti polr post tonight.
You might as well do it tomorrow.
Yeah, i will. I'm done with work now but i'm pretty much spent. I'm going to go to bed early-ish and will wake up early tomorrow.
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Post by vincent on Jun 14, 2021 16:22:31 GMT -5
I'm working on it now.
Rewatching it, getting the timestamps, trying to articulate it.
But this is going to take some time and it probably won't be done tonight.
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Post by Roshan on Jun 14, 2021 19:06:23 GMT -5
Not a rush.
Thanks!
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