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Post by Roshan on Jun 7, 2021 11:10:44 GMT -5
I'd like people to discuss this and I'll withhold comment, except for asking questions. “Ni interprets deeply from Se breadth, Ne interprets broadly from Si depth.” source
ahmed , Amy , anthony , @ash , vincent ___________ As usual, feel free to participate if I didn't tag you.
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Post by Roshan on Jun 7, 2021 12:06:39 GMT -5
As far as I can tell, the authors are TiSe and some kind of Ni user couple who've shadowed each other into a 'work it til it works, whatever works' delta TeSi production/promotion mode, but that doesn't mean they know nothing about Ni and Ne. I haven't really watched them; their writings are far from the worst and I'm much more interested in the statement than them atm. |
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Post by vincent on Jun 7, 2021 16:32:36 GMT -5
Well, i would say that this statement itself is "far from the worst".
I would agree with attributing breadth to Ne and Se, and depth to Ni and Si.
As the article points out, this is part of the jungian definition of cognitive introversion and extraversion.
I have more issues with using "interpret" for both kinds of intuitions.
It works better for Ne than it does for Ni, imo, but even then, intuition does more than just interpret.
I will try to think of a better verb, but it's not easy to find one that would really work for both.
Because the thing is, "from S", Ni and Ne actually do opposite things.
NI "folds" it and Ne "unfolds" it.
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Post by Roshan on Jun 7, 2021 16:57:21 GMT -5
vincent , whatever she is he is TiSe and they are a unit--and they may very well be business partners btw--so naturally they are going to have a bias toward using the word 'interpret', because that's certainly how he, and probably how both, use N. So I hope you find a better verb but I want to know about the difference in the two processes. I mean, 'fold' and 'unfold'--after all, it's not laundry, so what does that really mean? (Examples would help).
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Post by Roshan on Jun 7, 2021 17:03:30 GMT -5
(You can even make them up!)
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Post by vincent on Jun 7, 2021 17:26:41 GMT -5
vincent , whatever she is he is TiSe and they are a unit--and they may very well be business partners btw--so naturally they are going to have a bias toward using the word 'interpret', because that's certainly how he, and probably how both, use N. yes, i agree.
I was using fold and unfold to point toward the fact that Ni process is centripetal, while Ne process is centrifugal. Ni will collapse, compact, condense, contract Se "datas" and experiences into something denser that embrace it all.
Ne on the other hand will expand, enlarge, even explode Si categories and turn them into worlds of possibilities.
I will try to find some examples to show this.
But for now, i'm pretty tired and they don't "come to me", so to speak.
I'm kind of stuck with images of blackholes and supernovae right now.
tbcd soon.
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Post by Roshan on Jun 7, 2021 17:34:50 GMT -5
I was using fold and unfold to point toward the fact that Ni process is centripetal, while Ne process is centrifugal.
Yeah, I know, centripetal and centrifugal are my terms.  At least lately. But I want to be able to be more concrete about this.  Or less intuitive, if you will.  Go to bed |
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Post by Roshan on Jun 7, 2021 20:57:41 GMT -5
Does Se act or emanate or interface broadly from Ni depth? How is Viva emanating, or interpreting or transmitting or just processing, or whatever he's doing broadly, from Si depth?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2021 1:40:56 GMT -5
I would think that Pe stirs a substance in a cauldron, sort of like an evil witch, whereas Pi fishes within this cauldron. I had my own wild interpretation of ct functions a few years back before I entered a shadowing Bardo seamlessly overlapping with the pandemic. (lol) I think that I interpreted them as motions well enough. I think they could relate to the soup analogy quite well. (at the very right of the picture)  translation: OPi = Si OPe = Se RPe = Ne RPi = Ni OJi = Ti OJe = Te RJe = Fe RJi = Fi |
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Post by Roshan on Jun 16, 2021 8:01:00 GMT -5
I would think that Pe stirs a substance in a cauldron, sort of like an evil witch, whereas Pi fishes within this cauldron. Aaah, have you seen this? I color-coded it for you-twice pretty in pink. The reference comes from here. |
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Post by Roshan on Jun 16, 2021 8:05:53 GMT -5
ps It's true that Marsha just did not want to add anything more from the phenomenal world into the Ni (<---Se) cauldron, was refusing to move forward, to TakE the sTEps into the fuTurE.
(Here we may be able to glimpse why it is Ne that is inherently concerned with NovElty. It really seems to me the cauldron brew itself 'is' somehow just Se--the primordial extant upon which Light was enacted... I think Se frame people are kind of really acting as part of that. "Magma" comes to mind...)
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At least lately.
