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Post by vincent on Feb 28, 2021 19:57:33 GMT -5
So... stuff happened... and as a result the reveal didn't happen yet. Sorry about that.
I'll do it tomorrow after work. Stay tuned !
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Post by anthony on Mar 1, 2021 1:15:37 GMT -5
I was the NeTi and like I said it was just a preliminary impression. I was thinking strong creative subtype but the thing is he looks like a little rapscallion with that mischievous twinkle in his eye. (And if you look very closely at the two women they have some of it too). Now looking at the new photos he seems very different. Very. And different still between them. I don't really know what it could be but I did check and Jocko when young (and later) was similar to the first one in the new photos, and even Viva Frei has a couple that are melancholic like that. The third one seems it could be SiFe (which could be a highly dualized NeTi in a particular moment)....hmm...it's also a little NeFi-ish maybe. (Or a soft TeNi). The second more FiNe-ish or possibly TiNe-ish. (I guess). But I'm sticking with my original vote--NeTi but with strong creative subtype and high function development, because nothing else feels better. He immediately reminded me of Viva Frei.
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Post by anthony on Mar 1, 2021 1:36:58 GMT -5
The first photo(the childhood one that vincent posted) made me think NiFe, but I didn't have a particularly clear reason for voting for it other than that he seemed Se/Ni axis, specifically TiSe-ish, but slightly higher feeling. The last photo on here, where he has the bird on his shoulder, he looks SO NeTi-ish, something inherently "flustered" and "frazzled" about him but not TOTALLY or CLEARLY, like Fresco. Those younger photos of him were also identical to Viva Frei. He doesn't look cocky to me as much as he looks like he's adopted Se, knows that he knows how to use it 'decently,' and is ready to 'prank' you (with that pipe and smirk).
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Post by Roshan on Mar 1, 2021 1:43:40 GMT -5
He looks cocky in the photo with the pipe anthony.
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Post by vincent on Mar 1, 2021 13:03:45 GMT -5
So...
Anthropologist and ethnologist
Author of Tristes Tropiques (which begins with “I hate travelling and explorers. Yet here I am proposing to tell the story of my expeditions.” )
I know his work pretty well, in part because i studied anthropology and some of my teachers had been his students, in part because i wrote a philosophy about him.
(specifically about his take on Nature and Ethics, and his proposal of a biocentric, rather than anthropocentric, approach to morality)
Initally, my typing for him was TiNe, with strong creative subtype and something like "found Fe" through his vocation as an anthropologist.
And i thought it was actually a pretty easy and straightforward typing.
High intuition was pretty much self evident. Alphaness was also quite obvious. After all, he went to the Amazons and the American North-West to live with hunter-gatherers and spent his live studying their mythological dreamtime. Se polr seemed to make perfect sense, since his anthropological quest was always to find the invariant, anhistorical rules of culture, underneath the heraklitean flow.
Also because his structures are basically Ti matrixes meant to apply not only to all extant societies but also to all possible societies. All Ne, no Se.
Then i found the kid picture and the younger clean shaven ones and that typing became... not so obvious after all
I toyed a bit with the idea that he might be TiSi or SiTi instead (something very very very kantian in parts of his work).
Tried to save my TiNe hypothesis too.
He is indeed NeTi creative subtype, a quite extreme case of it, with lot of 4th row development and a lot of delta influence and education.
He is also a good example of how tricky Fi polr can be in well developed NeTi.
Will post more about him soon. (i have to deal with some unexpected work relalted shit right now...)
tbcd.
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Post by vincent on Mar 1, 2021 13:50:10 GMT -5
Here is what i think is a smoking gun proof of his Fi polr
"Le moi n'est pas seulement haissable, il n'a pas de place entre un nous et un rien."
Ego is not merely hateful. There is no room for it between a we and a nothing.
(a reference to Pascal's "Ego is hateful")
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Post by vincent on Mar 1, 2021 13:52:45 GMT -5
And this (at the end of Tristes Tropiques, but also echoed many times in more scholarly work) simply can NOT be Se polr :
"the world began without Man and will complete itself without him. The institutions, manners and customs which I shall have spent my life in cataloguing and trying to understand are an ephemeral efflorescence".
That's Se role. Awareness of Impermanence.
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Post by vincent on Mar 1, 2021 14:02:29 GMT -5
Levi Strauss structuralism is also a perspectivism.
One of the leitmotiv of his work is that the thing you're studying appears differently and "works" differently depending on the scope of your perspective.
He actually published a series of interviews with a guy named Didier Eribon and titled "De près, de loin".
Near, distant. Zoomed in, Zoomed out.
Ne dom kaleidoscopic view.
Which turns individuality (and any kind of granularity) into optical illusions.
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Post by Roshan on Mar 1, 2021 14:04:06 GMT -5
And this (at the end of Tristes Tropiques, but also echoed many times in more scholarly work) simply can NOT be Se polr :
"the world began without Man and will complete itself without him. The institutions, manners and customs which I shall have spent my life in cataloguing and trying to understand are an ephemeral efflorescence".
That's Se role. Awareness of Impermanence.
meh.
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Post by Roshan on Mar 1, 2021 14:10:49 GMT -5
Look, I was torn between NeTi and TiNe both strong creative subtypes. But I just felt that was SUCH a mischievous child. I did think the second picture posted looked Se PolR (either one) but the third not even remotely. I only read "Tristes Tropiques", and it was a long time ago. I explained to you the effect it had on me, which was a pattern-seeking that borders on 'ideas of reference' within culture, and which I see as more N-related than Ti, but that he has a large body of work I'm not familiar with. Now I'm looking over what's said about it.
It strikes me that in a lot of older photos, he reminds me of Emilio Carballido, the VERY Ne creative TiNe. This video has a snippet of an interview with CLS. I think he was such a strong creative subtype it gets blurry which one it was.
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Post by Roshan on Mar 1, 2021 14:15:03 GMT -5
And atm I wouldn't be so hasty in ruling out TiNe.
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Post by vincent on Mar 1, 2021 14:15:03 GMT -5
And this (at the end of Tristes Tropiques, but also echoed many times in more scholarly work) simply can NOT be Se polr :
"the world began without Man and will complete itself without him. The institutions, manners and customs which I shall have spent my life in cataloguing and trying to understand are an ephemeral efflorescence".
That's Se role. Awareness of Impermanence.
meh.
What makes it role, i think, is the fact that he always find some way to REMIND us about it, even in pretty unlilely context.
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Post by Roshan on Mar 1, 2021 14:18:12 GMT -5
Why can't it just as easily be argued that it's Se PolR?
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Post by Roshan on Mar 1, 2021 14:27:16 GMT -5
Here is what i think is a smoking gun proof of his Fi polr
"Le moi n'est pas seulement haissable, il n'a pas de place entre un nous et un rien."
Ego is not merely hateful. There is no room for it between a we and a nothing.
(a reference to Pascal's "Ego is hateful")
Why isn't it situating himself in found Fe (through achieved Si agenda) to stave off the nihilism of Ti frame with Ni demo and Se PolR vincent?
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Post by vincent on Mar 1, 2021 14:32:24 GMT -5
Look, I was torn between NeTi and TiNe both strong creative subtypes. But I just felt that was SUCH a mischievous child. I did think the second picture posted looked Se PolR (either one) but the third not even remotely. I only read "Tristes Tropiques", and it was a long time ago. I explained to you the effect it had on me, which was a pattern-seeking that borders on 'ideas of reference' within culture, and which I see as more N-related than Ti, but that he has a large body of work I'm not aware of. Now I'm looking over what's said about it. It strikes me that in a lot of older photos, he reminds me of Emilio Carballido, the VERY Ne creative TiNe. This video has a snippet of an interview with CLS. I think he was such a strong creative subtype it gets blurry which one it was.
It's true he has something of Emilio Carballido in some pics.
The thing is, i would expect NeTi with strong creative subtype to look more and more TiNe-ish as he get older.
But i wouldn't expect a TiNe, even with strong creative subtype, to look that not Se polr when younger.
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