hiddenglass
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Post by hiddenglass on Oct 26, 2020 22:11:20 GMT -5
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Post by Roshan on Oct 27, 2020 16:37:09 GMT -5
Well I certainly agree with it, I worked on that typing. But I'd be very interested to hear other comments or questions about it. Also are you still landed on NeTi hiddenglass, or you have doubts?
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hiddenglass
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lay me to rest, take me to sea // read my mind… let me be.
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Post by hiddenglass on Oct 27, 2020 18:11:29 GMT -5
Well I certainly agree with it, I worked on that typing. But I'd be very interested to hear other comments or questions about it. Also are you still landed on NeTi hiddenglass , or you have doubts?
I actually paid Auburn to type me and he typed me tentatively as SeFi II-I, although he sounded wishy-washy about it and apparently just sort of implied NeTi was correct. :thinking:
I am unsure of my sociotype currently, but I am unaware of any JCT in which I am not NeTi, yes. the OP fans claim I'm Fi not Ti, but they're smoking something. One of them started a gofundme to pay for DSP to type me lol, but I'm not sure that will come to any fruition.
I haven't questioned my cogtype in years, but I'm open to a renewed understanding…
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Post by vincent on Oct 27, 2020 18:24:59 GMT -5
SeFi ? Really ?
How is even possible to use a method based on function identification and end up hesitating between two types with zero conscious functions in common ?
They are smoking "tribe" stuff. That's all.
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Post by Roshan on Oct 27, 2020 18:34:53 GMT -5
SeFi btw would make you Ti PolR and you can see how that's 'a thing' with Xena Warrior Princess. Or should I say Sheena Queen of the Jungle? Completely unable to metabolize nuances of even slightly complex systems.
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Post by Admin on Nov 8, 2020 2:47:55 GMT -5
hiddenglass, my typing for you atm is so/sx 5w4(6w5)-3w2(2w1)-9w1(1w2). That new wing span on the 3 accounts better for your previously having considered 1 fix, and for so/sp having been considered. This post you wrote on actual sex and the i.v.s points strongly away from double variant so/SX. enneaforum.freeforums.net/post/9714/threadAlso midstream so/sx is the most 'all over the place range' of that stacking. Roshan
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hiddenglass
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Post by hiddenglass on Nov 8, 2020 2:52:56 GMT -5
hiddenglass , my typing for you atm is so/sx 5w4(6w5)-3w2(2w1)-9w1(1w2). That new wing span on the 3 accounts better for your previously having considered 1 fix, and for so/sp having been considered. My understanding of 3w22w1 vs 3w24w3 is HEAVILY at odds with this, but my understanding may be off.
if it isn't, though, then I'm definitely supercore 3w2
ETA: I don't think I ever seriously considered a 1 fix. it was only others that did. I was perfectly comfortable attributing what people saw as 1-ish rigidity in me to Ti and 9w11w2 and to 5 generally I'm open to this as perhaps the MOST likely point of change in my config, but I'm still resistant. How does my blog post point away from second variant / darkside social?
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Post by Admin on Nov 8, 2020 3:01:06 GMT -5
hiddenglass, what does supercore mean and where did you get that term? I've seen you use it before.
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hiddenglass
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Post by hiddenglass on Nov 8, 2020 3:05:48 GMT -5
hiddenglass , what does supercore mean and where did you get that term? I've seen you use it before. I don't know where I got it from. I think osmosis from some ancient thing like EIDB or TypeWatch, third hand
supercore (paradigm "crosses back"): 3w24w3 & 3w42w3 anticore (paradigm "extends out"): 3w22w1 & 3w44w5
these are my terms, though:
progressive (clockwise): 3w24w3 & 3w44w5 regressive (counterclockwise): 3w22w1 & 3w42w3
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Post by Admin on Nov 8, 2020 3:22:28 GMT -5
I have to focus on that another time hiddenglass. But for the other part I can knock off something quickly. You wrote: "I'd start by reminding people that sexual relationships are, formally, social ones. Even under enneagrammatic jargon, literal intercourse is, in my opinion, just as much or more under “Social” instinct, though can manifest significantly under "Sexual" just as it can under “Self-Preservational”. This is pretty outside the scope of so/SX. so/SX doesn't see 'literal intercourse' as primarily social, it's almost sx dom and it fuses with its partners. If it were to pick someone up in a bar for a one night stand or hire a hooker without the 'looking for love' aspect, it would almost always see that as fulfilling an sp need, not social. Of course there are always exceptions but that on top of that you relegate both sexual and self-preservation to the same carry-all is particularly telling. There Is 'social' and then 'everything else' for 'literal intercourse'. That's a whole lotta social going on.
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Post by Admin on Nov 8, 2020 3:30:09 GMT -5
I really don't think you understand just what 5w4 is and all that it implies and just how much overlap there is with it and sx. 5w4 IS the state of 'dissolution', fusion with all and nothing, that is also pure archetypal sx.
sp boundary soc contact sx. fusion
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sp. I am my body. soc. You are somebody sx. I am nobody without you.
Operant concept being nobody. Of course the you doesn't have to be another person for sx, it can be fusion with God, fame, etc. and since it's an instinct it's also always with you and thus implies.a fusion with 'just' all and everything. As such it has much in common with the Hole at the Bottom of the E.
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hiddenglass
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Post by hiddenglass on Nov 8, 2020 3:41:31 GMT -5
I have to focus on that another time hiddenglass . But for the other part I can knock off something quickly. You wrote: "I'd start by reminding people that sexual relationships are, formally, social ones. Even under enneagrammatic jargon, literal intercourse is, in my opinion, just as much or more under “Social” instinct, though can manifest significantly under "Sexual" just as it can under “Self-Preservational”. This is pretty outside the scope of so/SX. so/SX doesn't see 'literal intercourse' as primarily social, it's almost sx dom and it fuses with its partners. If it were to pick someone up in a bar for a one night stand or hire a hooker without the 'looking for love' aspect, it would almost always see that as fulfilling an sp need, not social. Of course there are always exceptions but that on top of that you relegate both sexual and self-preservation to the same carry-all is particularly telling. There Is 'social' and then 'everything else' for 'literal intercourse'. That's a whole lotta social going on. It's worth noting that I wrote it in direct response to a discussion ABOUT Social instinct and the 1-to-1 definition of Sexual, but I'll think about how I actually view sexual intercourse lol
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Post by jastyne on Nov 8, 2020 5:03:53 GMT -5
For the record, my current guess for @r's type is
5w4/9w1/3w2 so/sp-- nothing solid enough to state for subwings or stackings.
I feel -very- confident that he's:
-5w4 -3-fixed -gut at least touching the 1 space, and something very, very much making it seem like 9 influenced if he's not
I feel reasonably confident that he's 359a. I can easily see a case being made for him being so/sx, and I have found myself going back in and out of my thoughts on that-- because he does seem unusually... sx-y, for an sx-last. Compared to Anthony, for example, even thought Anthony is a core 9, which generally has that sx energy inherently, like 2 does. It doesn't make sense for 5w4, I thought, because... I don't even remember why, honestly. But you're totally right, Robin-- of course 5w4 would have a heavily, exceptionally sexual structure.
*facepalm*
I'm pretty sure that when I'm the most in touch with my intuition, before I let myself get muddled in a 6 stress-line eternal dialectical with no end, him being so/sp (or possibly sp/sx I guess, but I would be shocked) feels like it's one of those things that just *is*.
Like how I felt when I realized I was a 9, when every reason and case I had in my brain was why I was an obvious 4, and none of those reasons have really been addressed, and didn't have the evidence, and I didn't hardly believe it, but I knew my body -knew-
Like, a thing coming from outside of me, almost? Not something I feel pride in or correctness about.
Idk how much sense this makes or doesn't make at all
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hiddenglass
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Post by hiddenglass on Nov 8, 2020 6:09:09 GMT -5
so/SX doesn't see 'literal intercourse' as primarily social, it's almost sx dom and it fuses with its partners. If it were to pick someone up in a bar for a one night stand or hire a hooker without the 'looking for love' aspect, it would almost always see that as fulfilling an sp need, not social. re-reading—yes, this is how I would view it. (part of) what I was thinking when I wrote that was the social repercussions and ramifications of the act; not that the act is itself Social per se. I'm also approaching this from a place where I was told that holding hands with my fiancée would be okay "with chaperone" so Social considerations are kinda firmly instilled in me due to that. Nonetheless, I have lived up to the Pe dom reputation of being quite...... well.
but maybe I'm misunderstanding what "sex as social activity" would even mean.
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